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Ritchie Wellens

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Ulysses S Grant, Dec 17, 2022.

  1. Ulysses S Grant

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    Orient 16 points clear of 4th after 21 games. Ain't hindsight wonderful. Especially to those who said he was shite at Salford and Doncaster. At this rate Orient will be up by the end of Feb and get a record points haul.
     
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  2. Storck

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    Can not remember if I was for or against him but would say results elsewhere don’t seem to count for anything when managers come to VP
     
  3. WilsdenBantam

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    Let’s be honest he’d have played a low block and been crap for us regardless of elsewhere.
     
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  4. Bronco

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    Is that a clue to who said it ;)
     
  5. andyc

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    just because he is doing well at Orient, is no guarantee he would do well at the graveyard that is valley parade.
    Hopefully the players are raring to go come boxing day after their 22 day break from matches.
    Hopefully we push on in Jan , a 10% improvement sees us in the playoffs anything more and we could get the autos.
    Its the hope that kills you
     
  6. Rogered Tart

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    I wanted him before Adams, who a lot on here wanted unfortunately. But as you allude to, what he does elsewhere has no bearing what he would have done here at Bradford.
     
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  7. Ulysses S Grant

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    He was my number one choice, before after and during Adams.
     
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  8. Kevin1954

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    If he’s that bloody good why were Doncaster relegated and played football from the dark ages at VP. It was his team remember!
     
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    I think Doncaster were in league one when Wellens managed them Kev, he was fired in December McSheffrey took over.
     
  10. trevor

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    Should have been our manager. We had the chance
     
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  11. Bronco

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    I think he chose Doncaster before us as they were a league One side.
     
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  12. Kevin1954

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    Thanks Dave I did mean his players he mostly recruited but yes you are right. Thanks for the clarification.
     
  13. JonButterfield

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    Refreshing to hear City fans are impressed by someone who isn't an outrageously hideous and odious arch-villain.

    Good stuff!
     
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  14. Inspector

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    Orient as a club have low expectations. As with many previous players and managers who’ve failed at VP, the high expectations and demands of our supporters has led to failure after failure. Some managers thrive in this environment but the majority fail. I don’t know what it is, but there’s no guarantee Wellens would do any better here than he did at Doncaster.
     
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  15. Bigrod

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    As a manager Wellens has had mixed success.

    Oldham. He managed them for a season, which resulted in them being relegated to League Two (Fail)

    Swindon. Promotion to League One. But then he leaves the club in October, and in effect his team is relegated back to League Two at the end of the season. (Win ish).

    Salford. Less than five months in charge. Went for the job as he lived near Salford! First league victory against us. Left by ‘mutual consent’, whatever that really means. (Avoider)

    Doncaster. This time 199 days in charge. Sacked with Doncaster in 23rd place and ultimately the squad he had managed were relegated. (Fail)

    Leyton Orient. Appointed March 2022. Helped Orient avoid the drop. Cruising at the moment. (Win)

    Other factors. As well as managing Oldham, Salford and Doncaster he also played for them.

    He is rotten at geography, he commented on leaving Swindon, ‘First and foremost, it was to be closer to my family – I’ve lived near Salford for 25 years’. Richie I have to tell you that Leyton is a further 60 miles away from Salford and Avanti West Coast is a failing rail provider!!

    The longest he has stayed at a club as a manager is two years. So not one for staying around.

    Seems to be someone for short term involvement and not a steady builder.
     
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    Not sure I agree with that. Orient appear to have high expectations. They made sure that match was played on Saturday putting more distance between them and the rest. Having high expectations as fans and as a club is a positive in my view. On the other hand we have been unfortunate of late both with results and injuries to key players. I think other clubs and fans see us as contenders every season so others clubs views a visit to VP as a cup game and even when we go away. I think that has more of an impact than our own fan’s expectations. Plus we don’t always have the highest budget of the best pull factors either.

    MH doesn’t see it as a problem the opposite in his view. Other managers might have seen it as a hindrance.
    All I know is that Orient had the resources to get their game on and we didn’t and I think that says a lot really.
     
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    Amazing what happens when you do the basics right instead of trying to implement PL tactics into a league 2 team.
    I admire Hughes vision of pure football but in league 2 give me Parky, Evans or Wellens anytime.
     
  18. Ulysses S Grant

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    With you on Parky & Wellens. I still wouldn't sell my soul to the Devil for promotion though, and that is what having convicted fraudster and misogynistic Evans would be.
     
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  19. borderlescott

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    He was the perfect choice for us as he entertains and knows what it takes to get promotion out of L2.

    However, last season when Adams left, if anyone was given a straight choice of Hughes or Wellens, I think they are telling porkies if they didn’t wouldn’t have said Hughes - the man that was at Man City and had never managed below PL level.

    If they didn’t say Hughes, it must have been because they thought Hughes’ interest in the job was a wind up.
     
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