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Relegation or survival?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by TallinnBantam, Mar 18, 2019.

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  1. TallinnBantam

    TallinnBantam
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    What do you think then - it's better off if we get relegated, and can maybe clean some slates and start afresh, or would you prefer us to stay up, and try and build again in league one?
     
    #1 TallinnBantam, Mar 18, 2019
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  2. Storck

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    How will going down help up start a fresh with a clean slate?
     
    #2 Storck, Mar 18, 2019
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  3. Ricc

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    well obviously, i'd prefer to stay up - but we are doomed.
     
    #3 Ricc, Mar 18, 2019
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  4. Bantamsteve

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    Impossible question to answer am afraid
    If we have a clear plan to get out of L2 at the first attempt and receive the backing to do it then yes
    its better to start completely a fresh with a new squad of players
    OR
    If we have some structure now then best to try and maintain L1 status
    Which until mathematically impossible is still a possibility
    All depends on the SILENT bosses
     
    #4 Bantamsteve, Mar 18, 2019
  5. MallorcaBantam

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    L2 club, big stadium, good buy for someone with ambitions and few bob to invest
     
    #5 MallorcaBantam, Mar 18, 2019
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  6. TallinnBantam

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    For a start, I think we'd lose a lot of the bigger earners. Either they have relegation clauses, or they get sold on because they are "too good" for league 2 football.
     
    #6 TallinnBantam, Mar 18, 2019
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  7. YungNath

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    whilst that may be in their contract, i find the notion that any of this lot are too good for league 2 highly questionable
     
    #7 YungNath, Mar 18, 2019
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  8. Storck

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    I find the notion that anyone will take them questionable. If anyone does take them off our hands it will certainly cost us and that will come out of next seasons playong budget under SCMP
     
    #8 Storck, Mar 18, 2019
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  9. TallinnBantam

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    That's why I put inverted commas.
    Fortunately, and we may have criticised it at the beginning, a lot of them are loans. Scannell should find a club, as should Doyle. Wright, if he's not a total numpty, should cancel his contract and find a new club on his own. Riley - well he might have found his level and get a run a games in League 2. I'm also presuming, that maybe some of these players have relegation wage cuts in their contracts.
     
    #9 TallinnBantam, Mar 18, 2019
  10. Dennis

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    Where has this idea that players have 'relegation' clauses in their contracts come from?

    There doesn't appear to be any substance to this in the lower leagues. The EFL's 'standard contract' has no such thing in it and in the lower leagues, most clubs and players use the EFL's standard contract.
     
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    #10 Dennis, Mar 18, 2019
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  11. Keefly Bantam

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    Aj but these are Edins contracts so likely nothing like the standard ones.
     
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    #11 Keefly Bantam, Mar 18, 2019
  12. Johnny Yen

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    When we go down, we'll be in very unsure and dangerous waters.
    Staying up was essential, sadly the shower haven't the mental toughness
     
    #12 Johnny Yen, Mar 18, 2019
  13. LS Bantam

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    We’re 100% down.
     
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  14. TallinnBantam

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    Its a forum, I'm just putting the suggestion out there. I don't think there is such a thing as a "standard contract" these days. Players and if a loanee, parent clubs, have all sorts of terms and conditions. These players (and agents) want to protect their income. Same way, I'd hope there's pay cuts in contracts if we get relegated.

    However - as mentioned, these are Edin's contracts, so it could be anyones guess.
     
    #14 TallinnBantam, Mar 18, 2019
  15. Dennis

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    You might not think there is such a thing as a 'standard contract' but that contradicts what the EFL says! Their regulation on playing (rather than loan) contracts says quite clearly that ...

    63.2 All contracts between Clubs and Players must be in the equivalent of Form 20 of Premier League rules (the ‘Standard Contract’).

    The idea that Rahic could somehow ignore this is just his own bluster.

    Your comment about loanees is just a red herring since they will all be returning to their parent clubs at the end of the season.
     
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    You mean we get a choice?
     
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  17. BSABantam74

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    Absolutely no way is this club or its current personnel equipped to return from League 2 !? It was critical that we survived in League 1 and the failure of " the regime" in all its guises has put us on the road to nowhere. There is no plan; no leadership and no chance of seeing this club at this level of football again within the next 5 years or more !. In League 2 we have to start all over again with a squad that is built to play in that League and National League; because the two leagues are indistinguishable entities.
     
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  18. Storck

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    Here is a link to Form 20.

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/579f1eef2e69cf81541f5565/t/57bc6605e58c62993057c155/1471964677468/standard+pl+contract.pdf

    It is a standard contract but only in the sense that the terms and conditions are the same but the details about pay, insurance, bonuses etc including any special clauses are different for every player and are just added in schedule 2.

    So yes there is a standard contract but also everyone is totally different.
     
    #18 Storck, Mar 18, 2019
  19. Dennis

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    Thanks for posting that. Yes, I know what Form 20 looks like which is the reason I posted what I did earlier. Of course, the important details about pay, bonuses etc are specific for each player and they are all time related, not conditional upon remaining in the current division.

    And there is no provision in the standard contract for a 'relegation' clause which overrides the pay details. Nor is 'relegation' one of the criteria for either the club or the player exercising the termination provisions. In short as I posted earlier, so-called 'relegation clauses' in the lower leagues are not the norm.
     
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  20. Faithful Bantam

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    We're going down without so much as a fight.

    And the only way we're coming back any time soon is with new and significant investment.
     
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    #20 Faithful Bantam, Mar 18, 2019
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