So UEFA are investigating. If it was a player and found guilty the player would get a ban and the club possibly fined, so does that mean UEFA might fine UEFA?
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The account I read suggests that the referee was alerted to the behaviour of one of the Istanbul coaches. The referee asked the 4th official to identify which one and the 4th official said ‘the black guy’. He was referred to Pierre Webo who’s the only black member of the coaching staff at that club.
Don’t know how accurate that is. But here’s a genuine question: if you’re asked to identify someone from a group and the most obvious and easily quantifiable physical trait of that person is being black amongst the rest of the group being white, is it acceptable to identify that person as ‘the black one’?Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...BradfordBanter likes this. -
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As for using the colour of a persons skin as a descriptor no it shouldn’t be an issue but it can be depending on tone of voice, body language etc.
not sure what you do for a living but if you have ever done any training around harassment and equality but they always emphasise it is how things are received that is the most important thing.Skyebantam likes this. -
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I believe that over here the "nice dress" comment has been found to be harassment. At face value it sounds ridiculous but as storck says above, if person feels harassed then it can be taken as harassment. Then again, Mickey D's got sued for serving hot coffee.
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Also, the 4th official was referring to Pierre Webo, who I think is Istanbul's assistant manager. Demba Ba was leading the protests though.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand... -
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Just to be clear - I don’t. And hopefully that didn’t need to be said, but you never know. But hypothetically it could be. I could decide to take offence, and despite you doing nothing through ill intent and where most people would vouch for you doing nothing wrong, its my interpretation that matters? My interpretation that’s the determining factor on whether you’re warned, maybe banned?
I’m exaggerating to make my point, but that’s the gist of it.
As I say, I think the whole ‘I’m offended’ movement is eating itself and worse, it’s clouding where there really are issues of oppression that need to be tackled.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand... -
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These training courses you mention - I'd argue that a better use of that time and resource would be to coach people to not be quite so infantile, to understand that the world isn't a utopian wonderland where everyone gets along all of the time, to help people filter between obvious acts that are intended to offend, and what isn't. At times, you have to take certain things on the chin, agree to disagree etc. And this is the crux of what I posted earlier - people ARE being punished for subjective interpretation of things that aren't obviously offensive. The 'rules' have become so blurred that people are genuinely unsure of what is and isn't acceptable to say or do, because intent is irrelevant and one wrong and you're for it.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand... -
I don’t think the rules are blurred they seem very clear, it is just you don’t agree with them.
a legal example would be The Protection from Harassment Act 1997 (PHA) outlines harassment offences as ‘causing alarm or distress’ (section 2), and ‘putting people in fear of violence’ (section 4). -
Common sense could be applied as to whether someone is acting with an intent to cause distress or fear. It’s fairly obvious. But now, the obsession over ‘Social Justice’ means that the determining factor is about ‘feelings’ rather than anything resembling fact or objective assessment.
We’re digressing, so lets look at the case in point, in this thread. Hypothetically, if this is a case of an official identifying someone as ‘the black guy’, when that guy is the only black guy in a group of white people, and he’s doing it as a descriptive term for the purpose of identification, because skin colour is the most obvious differentiator for the purpose of a quick conversation with a 3rd party, is that wrong? Is it a reasonable statement to make?Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand... -
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