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PSG v Istanbul

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Frank Castle, Dec 8, 2020.

  1. Storck

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    the context was on the example you gave of him bring the only black guy in the group when that wasn’t the case.
     
  2. Faithful Bantam

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    No that’s not the case, from what I’ve seen reported. The 4th official told the ref that he needed to send one of the coaching staff off. The ref asked ‘which one am I sending off’ and the 4th official said ‘the black one’. There was only 1 black coach. And its largely moot - he was describing a black guy as a black guy.
     
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  3. Storck

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    Can you make your mind up if you are talking about a hypothetical situation or the actual situation?

    In the actual situation did he say he needed to send one of the bench off rather than coaching staff?

    And again I refer back to my previous anwser about it all depending on tone, body language etc
     
  4. SimonW

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    It was clearly related to the coaches because players don't need a physical description as they have numbers on them, if it was a player it would have just been 'number y'.

    The craziest thing about this is Black is the accepted term, describing someone as Black is not racist unless followed by something like bastard.

    The worst thing about this is the most vocal black people on the likes of twitter have timelines full of posts, retweeted posts and likes where they regularly refer to white people as things like white guy or even worse using slurs like cracker. Double standard like that just cause confusion
     
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  5. Storck

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    Not sure if you would be able to see the subs numbers with their coats etc on sat on the bench.

    As for the wording I think a lot depends on the tone, body language etc
     
  6. SimonW

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    At CL level the number is usually on most pieces of clothing.
     
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  7. Storck

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    fair enough I’ve only seen a few bits of Ba arguing with the official and I didn’t notice a number on his coat
     
  8. SimonW

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    I can't see it on the coat so maybe the coats are not standard parts of the kit and were just handed out because players were cold however he has his number on his jogging bottoms

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    Webo does have P.W on his so potentially those could have been used but initials aren't unique and without the officials knowing the names of all the non-playing staff on the bench (Which if they did they would have used names) they can't really use that. At Man Utd we have both Carrick and Clegg, both first name Micheal so if a 4th official said it was the coach with MC on his clothing he could get the wrong one.

    You need something unique to identify people and if we are going down the route that using descriptive terms about traits that make them stand out is seen as offensive then we need coaching staff to be walking around with something to identify them from a distance because you could equally see a red head claiming saying the Red Head as being offensive or the short person being described as short ect.

    Mind you I suspect Webo actually has no issue being described as black, rather that he heard a word that sounded like negro in a conversation going on in Romanian and by the time he actually took a moment to let them explain it had gone so far that no-one could back down. If it was an English team of officials and they had said the black one I just don't think it would have escalated, it was the word negru that upset him as its easy to mishear
     
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  9. Tennesseebantam

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    Nothing to do with football but thinking about the discussion Storck and Faithful bantam have been having.. Saying "nice dress" to a person at work, can be taken as either a compliment or sexual harassment. Which is it?
     
  10. Storck

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    whatever they take it as is the generally accepted view if it progresses any further
     
  11. NorthernMonkey

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    A sad indictment of the present day really. Take me back to simpler times!
     
  12. Storck

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    when people didn’t care if what they said upset others?
     
  13. Tennesseebantam

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    I believe that over here the "nice dress" comment has been found to be harassment. At face value it sounds ridiculous but as storck says above, if person feels harassed then it can be taken as harassment. Then again, Mickey D's got sued for serving hot coffee.
     
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  14. NorthernMonkey

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    No, when the world didn't pander to the "entitled" arseholes that live in it today.
     
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