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Protests Planned.

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by bantamdave41, Mar 20, 2024.

  1. AngryGaz

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    Well run clubs tend not to be dragged from the brink of the championship to midtable in league 2 ............. and if we are well run as you say then why as our owner said he needs to step up and do more ???????
     
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  2. Loyalbantam

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    Would you consider Huddersfield a well run club?
    They’ve fallen from the PL to the brink of league 1 in the space of 4 seasons.
    They’ve had experienced footballing people running the club and are still failing. Maybe sometimes you find your natural level.

    I wonder if they have any protests planned?
     
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  3. Rogered Tart

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    Folk are obsessed with sustainability = well run, even if the outcome of that is regression on the pitch. Rupp admitted in his statement he has had to rethink this approach. Clubs like Luton, didn't get to the premiership on sustainability, they got there on a ownership plan that included risk. Clubs like Wrexham, Chesterfield, Notts County have had to push the boat out to get out of the national league.
    When you put out a statement like Rupp has it's an admittance of failure on his part. That failure does not equate to a well run club.
     
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    Exactly. When I was at business school many years ago, how businesses grew and developed was a huge topic. To cut a long story short, for any business to grow, they needed capital and that's irrespective of their sector or geography. And that's true whether you're Microsoft, BMW or the local backstreet widget manufacturer. And football clubs are no different.

    There are only three sources of capital for a business - generated internally from profits; provided by shareholders as additional equity or by raising some debt from wherever. (I've excluded finding a stash down the back of the sofa!). Running a sustainability model as we do with no spare profits and therefore no spare cash cannot provide any capital from that route. So who has to step up to the plate? In our case the answer is obvious. Without new shareholders or a friendly bank manager, the only source of additional capital is Rupp. That means that the responsibility for our club to progress rests with the owner. It appears that that particular penny has now dropped.
     
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    Whilst I agree that in his two spells at the club Stafford achieved football success - and in his second spell saw the best team in living memory (a claim Richmond supporters may disagree with) the club at that time was bankrolled by Tordoff
    Tordoff was financially astute and a BCFC fan but (a bit like Rupp) found football success much harder to achieve than his other business- and no one could suggest that JCT Motors is anything but an extremely successful business
     
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    Not wanting to sound disrespectful to anyone but most football fans won't understand that. They just hear this buzzword of sustainability and wet themselves at the thought of anything else. This shouldn't be confused when some progressive clubs also mention sustainability, this is usually a longer term aim based on an initial period of investment into the business.
    Now there's nothing wrong with aiming for sustainability. Just don't expect your business to go anywhere if you primary business function is to get above anything else.
     
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    You can always use the ignore button.
     
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    I suspect you're right and there's no reason why a typical fan watching their team on the putch should care about that. But those responsible for the running of a football club which has aspirations to develop and progress should understood all of that without exception. I couldn't use the phrases 'well run' or having 'a business like' approach on any business whose leaders ignore the fundamentals.

    In Rupp's case, I put it down to him having little interest in the club other than for the books to balance and to stay in the EFL. In Sparks' case I put it down to him simply meeting his boss' objectives and being out of his depth as a CEO with little experience in running a busness. If nothing else comes out of the protest, at least there appears to be some promised change in Rupp's approach towards the club. We'll have to wait to see how genuine that is.
     
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  10. Loyalbantam

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    We do agree on this matter that there needs to be risks taken for progression and an acceptance of having debt.
    Maybe the young fans who’ve had 14 years of austerity, told to tighten their belts, save money, don’t borrow are running scared of financial risks?
    The older fans will remember the GR model and are scared of that too.
    So we’re stuck in the middle
     
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    We aint ralking about him throwing millions and millions at it we are talking about him running the damn thing right.

    We have the most season ticket sales at this level cheap or not it will still dwarf most clubs at this level.

    Our Shirt sales must dwarf near on every club at this level

    Our sponsorship must be a lot more than every club at this level apart from Wrexham

    Our catering deals yet again should dwarf every club at this level.

    So please for the love of god do we continue to bumble along ???? Ryan Sparks and Gent to folk who continue to blow decent budgets on bog standard players.

    You sorr the Sparks and Gent issue out and your gonna give yourself a big chance and hopefully now that penny has dropped with Rupp.

    Still let the loons come out and mock the protests even though that protest may have actually forced a big change and may have actually changed the direction of the club.

    Hopefully a few years down the line we are higher up the league and the folk who have stood up for change have helped to make that happen.
     
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    That's a very good point. I usually start with the premise that a business is run well and efficiently. I really don't believe that applies to our club in the recent past; it certainly wastes money on poor recruitment and a constant cycle of rebuilding the squad. Bring in a new manager and we'd better recruit another squad .. and waste yet more time doing that! There's little continuity from manager to manager and no lessons learned. That's a Bantams thing.
     
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    Stop it with evidence, just accept it’s us returning to our natural level. Clubs with 15,000 season ticket holders are naturally below big hitters like Barrow, Morecambe and Fleetwood. Just be grateful to have a club to support, yes the regime has dragged us down nearly 40 places in the football pyramid, maybe more than any other owner ever has, but nothing to see here:blush::snigger:
     
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    Since 1982 we have spent a total of 12 years at this level so why do folk think we should be down here when the last 42 years say different ??????
     
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    Sky did a league table of every football club and we came out at 11th in league 1, and a lot of the time we spent below that marker we were getting crowds of 3k in a rust bucket stadium. Then between 2007 and 2013, while we under achieved there were factors such as recent admins and not having a pot to piss in for why we were down there. There are no excuses this time it is all self inflicted, nothing to do with a natural level, which the evidence proves to be a false claim anyway. How people can’t see why people want and demand change is beyond me. We will lose a third of our customer base this season roughly, we will soon find our natural level change quite a bit if we don’t see change quickly.

    The fans taking action have already seen a statement from Rupp, but he’s proven before that he doesn’t act on them so more must be done to hold him accountable. These should be getting support not ridiculed and I find that attitude pretty damn dangerous for the future of the club.
     
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    Yeah but apart from that we are a well run club ????
    Can the likes of the clubs you have named have more seats than us ???
    Can the likes of Barrow compete with our parking spaces ????
    Forget all this being high up the league and challenging for promotion its all about how big your scoreboard is and how much advertising you can get on it.

    So i say this to the likes of Barrow you may get promoted but at least we have more glass windows than you
     
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    I don’t think this is our natural level, far from it, I was empathising with those who keep referring to the fact that 80% of our history has been at level 3 or 4.
    My view is that doesn’t need to always be the case and we should have ambition to reach higher levels.
     
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    I started going at the back end of the 86/87 season so maybe my outlook is a lot more different consideting it took 20 odd years for me to see that club at this level :(

    To me its a poor attitude to have we should simply be happy to be here because this was norm over 50 years ago.

    Seriously you wonder why the club is a mess when folk simply put up with shite and folk who try to make things happen are mockrd for it.

    I went up to BPA last week decent crowd for that level 600 or so makes you wonder if some loons on here would happy to be the same just to prove what a super fan they really are
     
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    Debt properly managed ie you can afford to pay it back is the way most businesses operate. How many have taken an interest free debt to buy their season tickets?
     
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    Rupp clearly doesn't know football, I wouldn't expect him to do. But a decent CEO would be telling him that a more proactive approach in what is poor standard of football division. Could turn you from the villain in the fans eyes to someone the fans have more respect for. I don't doubt Rupp is an honourable fella, but it shouldn't have taken him 6 years to work out you need to employ people who have a track record of being good at their job.
    I think the first pointer as wether Stefan is true to his word is, if the rumours are to be believed, he has brought an experienced head in to the building to run the club
     
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