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  1. How

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    So contrary to your claims we have two new proposals on their way this week. Today the premier league are having a meeting where the premier league via CEO Richard masters are expected to put forward their own proposals to help save the game and give Man U and Liverpool a bit of a kicking for doing this.
    Also, and one I am looking forward to seeing is this Friday (I think) former FA chairman David Bernstein is expected to unveil a plan they have been working on since March. He has worked with David Davies and other names from politics and sport and the public.
    In this proposal there would be no concentrated power and this is the hit I like, independent bodies would over see the fa, the football league national league and the women’s game.

    Let’s see what’s out there before we accept this power grabbing, greedy deal
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    The owners of the traditional big clubs of the Premier league don't care one little bit for the football league pyramid, this 'bailout' is to benefit them and them only. Losing the two club to drop to 18 and the removing of the league Cup is designed to open up space in the calender for more lucrative World tours and more European competition fixtures. I'm at the stage where I couldn't care less, it will happen regardless. Football globally is a massive business worth billions, nothing will get in the way of the progress of this, to the detriment of smaller clubs across the globe
     
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    The owners of the traditional big clubs of the Premier league don't care one little bit for the football league pyramid, this 'bailout' is to benefit them and them only. Losing the two club to drop to 18 and the removing of the league Cup is designed to open up space in the calender for more lucrative World tours and more European competition fixtures. I'm at the stage where I couldn't care less, it will happen regardless. Football globally is a massive business worth billions, nothing will get in the way of the progress of this, to the detriment of smaller clubs across the globe
     
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  4. How

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    The efl can kick up all the fuss they want. If the other 14 clubs reject this proposal from Man U and Liverpool it’s dead in the water. Which so far there is allegedly strong opposition to it in its current format. That’s why these other deals will be considered
     
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  5. Bronco

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    That's how I see it mate yet other members think it's a good deal, it will be interesting what effect if any will come from the big club fans like Man City who not so long ago were playing in the old division 3, they got lucky and took off, but they could have quite easily have gone the other way.
    As yourself the virus is enough for most to contend with and are testing times, what a great time for the top Premier teams to offer to bale football out, there all heart, God bless em.
     
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    In essence you are right, football is a business and in business you look after number one. But, and it's a big but, football isn't like any other business, there's history and emotion tied up in our game, we'll over 100 years of it.
    They'll end up taking the deal, they don't have any choice. And it's clear something needs to be done to save the football league from itself. But for the big clubs to make out they are doing this in any way for the benefit of lower league football is quite insulting. It's to benefit them and then only.
     
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    interesting read
     
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  8. Bronco

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    Always read the small print.
     
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    The football league needs reform without a doubt the worst thing that happened to it as an organisation was the setting up of the Premier league. The one thing the EFL has going for it is the championship, the fifth most lucrative league in Europe. It has a lot of fairly bug sides, some still with cash left over from being in the premiership, the lower leagues of 1 and 2 bring very little to the table financially or TV wise. It's the reform of the championship for me that's most important and where problems seem to lie. Like I said, whatever is proposed will happily be snapped up by leagues 1 and 2, they are easy to bribe with a bag of sweets. The problem lies with the clubs in the championship and the lesser clubs of the premiership. Getting them to vote for two less places at the top table is like getting Turkeys to vote for Christmas.
     
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    The Championship is the 'fifth' most lucrative league in Europe only because a small number of its clubs receive a £250m handout from the PL, aka parachute payments. Without parachute payments, it would be very similar in revenues to Bundesliga 2 and La Liga 2. It's the parachute payment system which distorts these comparisons.

    The PL isn't going away and it will always be the crown jewels of the English pyramid. Having said that, I agree that it is the Championship which needs to be reformed the most. Reinforcing the FFP rules would be a great start especially if it were accompanied by a salary cap. I think that will happen at some point but there are many very wealthy owners in the Championship who will continue to oppose it. The second reform imo is to get rid of the parachute system. It's bizarre how Champ clubs can receive £90m for having failed in the PL and been relegated. It simply tilts the playing field in the Championship in favour of a small number of clubs and bids up players' wages. The Liverpool/Man U proposal does just what I'd like to see and that's to scrap parachute payments and redistribute the huge sum involved to other EFL clubs including those in the lower leagues.

    I'll be very surprised if the EFL didn't support the Liverpool/Man U proposal particularly those parts relating to the better distribution of siolidarity payments to the EFL clubs. But I am expecting other proposals to come onto the table when a proper discussion can be had and some of the details of the current proposal dumped in the waste paper bin. The worrying aspect would be if other proposals start to close the door on the EFL and the PL becomes effectively a closed shop.
     
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  11. Stafford Bantam

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    In the case of the 6, I believe that the plan is that if the other Premier League clubs do not back the plan, the 6 (plus whoever else panics and follows suit) would resign from the Premier League and be admitted to the EFL. The EFL would then freeze out the remaining Premier League clubs, leaving their TV and commercial deals in tatters.

    Don't know if it would work, but that seems to be their plan. And I'm not convinced the "6" would go through with their threat either. Given the urgency to come up with something, this could be an interesting few days and weeks.
     
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  12. Bronco

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    So will the rest carry on as a Premier League or would they reform as an EFL league, and if so would they just call the league they joined be called Division one as it was before the creation of the Premier League.
     
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    That's not strictly correct. PL clubs have no automatic right to play in the Champions League or the Europa. They are both UEFA competitions and the PL isn't a member of UEFA. It's the FA which is affiliated to UEFA and nominates its representatives to play in UEFA competitions. Of course, to date the FA has always nominated PL clubs for the competition (although there was a time when the winner of the FA Cup was one of the nominations) since they are the 'best' English clubs. In the highly unlikely event that the Big 6 join the EFL, the FA could change its own position and instead nominate the top 6 clubs in the EFL as their reps in the Champions League and the Europa or even some mix between the two top leagues.

    Maintaining access to UEFA competitions would be really important to the Big 6. I suspect that this has already been discussed with the FA, at least in principle. Why else does the Liverpool/Man U proposal include a £100m payment to the FA other than as a bung sweetener for the proposal?
     
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    @Rogered Tart@Rogered Tart I think what he really meant to say was that it requires 14 votes out of 20 (two-thirds) to agree to a change in the PL's own rules. ;)

    It's a little more complicated than @Fordy117@Fordy117 simply saying the proposal requires another 5 votes for it to pass. One of the proposed 'Big 9' has already said they don't agree with the proposal!
     
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    Good riddance to that shit. Now time to get some real proposals thrashed out

    @Fordy117@Fordy117 i await your climb down from your high horse on this one
     
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    Well only those that need it will take some.

    Maybe, Bradford City can take 1.5m and tell Rupp to f+ck off
     
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    Rick Parry needs to go now. Too much in bed with the premier league. Not looking after our best interests at all
     
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  19. Bronco

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    What am I missing whats he done so far to make EFL clubs love him, serious question ?.
     
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    Surely its only good for the EFL clubs if it is initially accepted by the rest of the Premier League, otherwise it's a none starter ?.
     
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