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  1. Dennis

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    I can understand why some PL teams may be against the proposal for their own protection. For the life in me though, I can't undertsnad why any EFL club would be against it other than perhaps those who are in receipt of parachute payments.

    It's early days and I'm expecting at least one other proposal to be tabled shortly. Then the governing bodies and the clubs can have a meaningful debate on the options .. with or without DCMS.
     
  2. Fordy117

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    You seriously need to drop it mate and think.

    They'll be 4 teams relegated yes from div 2 and that what will happen every year but in the proposal money will also be given to the FA and no doubt 4 teams will come up for the National League.

    What the proposal is doing is basically sticking two fingers up to the PL, EFL and FA. It really doesn't matter what body you are in as you will get a bit of the pie.

    I've told you the top 6 are seriously thinking of going in to the EFL if this isn't approved or talks are not seriously discussed over this proposal.

    The issue we have right now is 11 clubs could go under by the end of the season if money is coming their way. The Rotherham chairman was nearly crying on Sky Sports today. For me I don't care if the top 6 clubs rule..I care about now and now clubs need support including Bradford.

    The proposal is a start expect another one next week but change isn't far away.
     
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  3. How

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    What about the offer from American investors into the EFL. 20 per cent stake wanted in return for 300+ million
     
  4. Fordy117

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    It really isn't though.

    Like the Rotherham said "Football is putting the show on with the lights on but gates not open, money not coming in"

    No other deal on the table mate! The government need to do something like the Peterborough owner said but the government are busy giving themselves a 3k payraise.
     
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  5. trevor

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    I am sure I have read somewhere that the Premier League will not allow any EFL club go to the wall through the corona virus situation and when they cannot allow fans in
     
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    The PL is made up of members. We can say what you read is rubbish.
     
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  7. Stafford Bantam

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  8. Fordy117

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    No one is saying the 1st proposal has to be accepted but the bottomline is 250m isn't going to come without changes now.

    What's the solution mate? The government not helping.

    Bradford City and others will go to the wall. Who cares if it's a power grab? Really! Money will help the EFL in this deal.
     
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    It's a no brainer for the EFL clubs mate including Bradford.

    Walsall Chairman says he's backing it.
     
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  10. Dennis

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    No, most of the cash (about £250m or almost two-thirds of the total) which comes from the PL to the EFL via solidarity payments goes in parachute payments to a small number of Championship clubs, ie the former PL clubs. The proposal would stop parachute payments and distribute the cash to all EFL clubs.

    As an aside, that's why Rahic once said that the Championship was about the eighth richest league in Europe. He didn't fully understand how it was weighted towards clubs receiving parachute payments and wasn't distributed evenly amongst all 24 clubs.
     
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    I agree but still most of the money will go to championship clubs, They may use the existing TV distribution method to calculate how much each club per division is awarded,
     
  12. Fordy117

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    You're not getting the proposal are you? The PL and Masters can come up with what they won't but the top 6 -9 are wanting change to a put that they will a) join the EFL or B) Create a new league. The PL is nothing without the top 6 clubs. Don't you understand that?

    The PL deal is 150m as a LOAN - It's been rejected.

    FA David Berstein would be for the FA. We are not controlled by the FA. We are controlled by the EFL.

    The proposal by Liverpool & Utd have the EFL support and support by 9 of the PL. Maybe more than 9 after today. So a view changes and this will go through.
     
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    You don’t listen so I’m out
     
  14. Fordy117

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    Listen it's like this!

    The EFL don't care what's happening in the PL. The proposal is a no brainer for the EFL.

    The PL has a massive problem because the top 6-9 clubs are basically saying they want out.

    The EFL need the money now not in 5 years. The government are doing sod all so its about from an EFL point of view get the money now, have a bigger part of the pie going forward.

    If 6 clubs, 9 clubs or 20 clubs have the power doesn't matter to the EFL as the PL has the power now anyway.
     
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    No, they're not. If that was the case then they would just form a super league and wouldn't say they would join the EFL.

    However, the extension on pre season will mean more international pre season games/visits I admit that.
     
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  16. How

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    You’re disagreed then agreed in the same post. That’s a new one even for you
     
  17. Fordy117

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    @Bronco@Bronco is states about money grabbing Pl owners but what have the owners of Bradford City been? What's Rhodes, Rupp and Lawn?

    Just because EFL clubs are not in the PL doesn't mean that the owners of these clubs are not money grabbers. Bradford City don't spend on assets barring players. Isn't that money grabbing in a different way? Not spending to invest on improvements? Loaning the club money. Some might say using the clubs as banks.
     
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  18. Dennis

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    I have absolutely no allegiance to the PL or interest in any PL team. I don't even watch PL games on Sky. But you're doing the PL a bit of a disservice. Yes, they are businesses and their prime repsonsibility is to their owners and shareholders. The financial facts are however that the PL pays out about £400m every season to EFL clubs. Most of that (around £200-250m) goes in parachute payments to Championship clubs who have previously been in the PL. There is another £150m paid out to the other 66 EFL clubs every season as what is called a solidarity payment. The PL agreed to start doing that about 15 years so that there was some benefit all clubs in the pyramid from the Sky contract.

    Cutting through all the powerplay crap by the Big 6 on voting etc, the deal for the EFL clubs is to stop parachute payments (that would be a good idea in itself imo!) and to redistribute the £200-250m which goes to a small number of Championship clubs to all EFL clubs. That is the big change for the EFL and would be guaranteed in the future under the agreement to pay out 25% of the TV broadcasting. If that is redistributed on the basis of the current approach, that would mean all League 1 and League 2 clubs receiving more than double what we currently receive in solidarity payments and broadcasting rights. That's worth having for a club like ours.
     
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    It was all about opening discussion. As @Dennis@Dennis keeps on saying this is just the opening proposal.

    250m isn't going to come with conditions.

    Man City chairman was talking about PL B teams entering the EFL.

    What Liverpool & UTD have basically don't is say right things need to change! They have been taking for 3 years! This isn't an overnight thing.

    PL are meeting today. Next 2 -4 weeks little changes will be made to the proposal.
     
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  20. Stafford Bantam

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    The EFL could find itself in an interesting position as possible kingmakers in a battle between the big 6 and the rest of the Premier League.

    Which side does it back?

    If it backs the "big 6" against the "14" (other numbers are available), what will/can the "14" do?
    If it backs the "14" against the "big 6", what will/can the "big 6" do?

    And the two sides, in the Premier League, may find they are in a bidding war for the EFL's support.

    Also, don't forget, the government (Oliver Dowden) are in the background with thinly veiled threats of significant changes to the governance of football, if suitable proposals/agreements do not emerge.
     
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