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Post brexit import advice required please

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by king karl, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. king karl

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    So according to gov.com

    When the UK leaves the EU VAT area, it will become a third country. This means that the way businesses manage VAT on goods and services exported and imported to/from the EU will change. Sellers will not charge VAT, but buyers will have to pay VAT to HMRC at the point of import (alongside any applicable customs duties).


    So assuming im vat registered

    If I import a product from Italy I will be charged 20% vat and import duty ( It says i can claim the vat back because im vat registered )


    So if I then sell the imported item to a UK customer will I still charge him 20% vat or is the product now vat free

    If I export the product out of the UK the item will be vat free but the customer will receive a vat bill at there local rate on reciept

    Also does anyone know how much the import duty will be % wise

    Is this how it will work - in laymen's terms if not please
     
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    No you still charge your customer VAT. Once it’s in the U.K. and you resell it everything is as it always is. It only impacts the process of you buying from a supplier and importing it into the U.K.

    Exporting out you will charge the fee without VAT though

    As for Import duty there isn’t a simple answer as it’s impacted by a few factors including what exactly it is you are importing. This link on the gov site should be able to help you https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff
     
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    It will be the same system as now with very little change, When you sell imported or any goods in the UK you will charge VAT and then pay to HMRC, The buyer will reclaim VAT paid but charge it to the final buyer , Any duties it due depends on the goods for the rate paid,
     
  4. king karl

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    So when the eu product arrives in the UK I will need to pay the UK vat and claim it back because I'm vat registered

    This seems a bit pointless... do you think businesses that are vat registered will still have to do this

    At present there is no vat payable on eu imports if your vat registered
     
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  5. SimonW

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    If they had to check what imports were coming in for VAT registered companies it would add so much more to the process (and be potentially massively abusable) that it would slow down what is already a slow process to get things through customs (even from EU countries)

    And no it won't change just to appease those who like you import from the EU because it would mean having to do it on all imports as this is just what people who import from anywhere else have to put up with
     
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    There is a scheme in place to account for import VAT (and duties} at point of import but defer payment. It may require a guarantee I just need to get my head around that. We import mechanical/electrical products and from what I can tell duty will be 1.7 to 2.2%, assuming no deal. It's my first job tomorrow to ensure we have everything in place!
     
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    yeh Ive seen the deferring option , think id rather pay as you go unless gunna cause big delays
     
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    If theres a deal will things stay as they are other than having to pay import duty
     
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    Unlikely that the EU is going to be happy managing VAT collection for the UK even with a deal. It would be like expecting the US to handle VAT collection at point of sale for the UK
     
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  10. Dennis

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    The arrangements are likely to be slightly different if there is a free trade deal negotiated between UK and EU or if we leave with no deal

    Deal (assuming it's a comprehensive one!)

    Using your Italian example, the goods will be exported to the UK with no VAT or duties since you're VAT registered.
    Once they arrive in the UK, VAT will be added to the value of the goods by HMRC.
    Duty will not be added since its part of a FT deal.
    You can reclaim the VAT on the import if you are VAT registered in the UK through your VAT return
    If you sell the goods within the UK, you'll have to charge VAT on the goods and pay that over to HMRC

    If you sell/export the goods to another EU country, VAT is not charged in the UK on the exported goods.
    In most cases, VAT will be added by the importing country's version of HMRC

    No Deal (ie trade between EU and UK is conducted on WTO terms or as the PM likes to call it, an Australian deal)

    As for 'Deal', the goods will be exported from the EU with no VAT or duties.
    Once they arrive in the UK, VAT will be added to the value of the goods by HMRC
    Once in the UK, the volume and standards of the goods will be checked to ensure they meet UK standards and don't breach any quota restrictions on those particular goods
    If the goods meet UK standards and quotas, duty will be added by HMRC in line with the UK's duty schedule. (There are thousands of different duty items but the paperwork from the seller should show the goods code to determine which duty is appropriate)
    You can reclaim the VAT on the import from HMRC if you are VAT registered in the UK
    Duty cannot be reclaimed and you will bear the cost
    If you sell the goods in the UK, you'll have to charge VAT on the goods and pay that over to HMRC

    If you sell/export goods to another EU country, VAT is not charged in the UK on the exported goods.
    Goods which are exported to the EU will have to meet the EU's standards for the goods and any quota restrictions.
    In most cases VAT and Duty will be added to the goods when they are imported into the EU by the country's equivalent of HMRC, the local tax authority
    You will have to supply information and product type codes for the local tax authorities to determine whether the goods meet their standards, country of origin etc and what duty should be added to the price.

    Good luck especially if we finish up without a free trade deal!
     
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    Thanks Dennis.. thats cleared it all up
     
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    @Dennis@Dennis

    I have a couple of EU customers I need to ship to

    They purchased the orders last year so was charged UK VAT

    So is it correct I need to ship DDP so that I pay the EU VAT because its been pre paid

    But what I cant get my head round Is this

    A) their VAT may be 22% but they only paid 20% so who makes up the difference

    B) will it mean im paying VAT twice because I need to pay to the EU countrys VAT but also it shows UK VAT on my invoice that I submit to the inland revenue and they will be after me for that - or is there a way of stating VAT was paid DDP so UK VAT not due


    I understand for orders received now but for orders that crossover its confusing
     
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    Couldn't you have started with a simpler issue at the start of the new year!

    The theoretical position is that (subject for how you account for VAT), the VAT charged on the invoice is the 'correct' value. That's because the date of the invoice you issued is the tax point. Having effectively pre-accounted for the VAT, that should be the end of it from your perspective. But it won't be!

    Your customer will have an invoice from you with VAT on it which is due to you and at the same time if sent DDP after 1 Jan, will more than likely have VAT added when it is imported in the customer's country. The local tax authoritty may expect the customer to pay the VAT at time of import to his local tax authority prior to the goods being delivered. You could be in the worst of both worlds - having to account for the VAT on the invoice you've issued to your customer and not having your invoice paid in full because your customer will believe he's already paid the VAT locally to his tax authority!

    I'm not sure whether this is something you can resolve on your own or directly with your customer. My advice would be to ring your local HMRC office and explain the situation and ask for their advice. There might well be some transitional arrangements already agreed to deal with this issue of a transaction spanning two different sets of arrangments. But it illustrates so well how things will still change even with a free trade deal.

    Sorry I couldn't be more specific.
     
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    Cheers

    didnt think would be straight forward , Ill contact DHL the shipper i use who are quite helpful also

    The customer has already paid the invoice + the vat to me last year , I just need to find out what happens so he or I dont have to pay twice

    My accountant isnt up to speed with EU shipping unfortunately
     
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    The fact that your customer has paid is helpful in this situation.You clearly want to do the best for your customer but the issue is really between him and his local tax authority on how they deal with their own VAT. DHL and the other big couriers should be up to speed with the latest arrangments especialy relating to how DDP works after 1 Jan and a chat with them will be useful.

    I don't see much of a risk in you having to pay the VAT twice so long as you account properly for the VAT which has already been paid to you by your customer. I still believe that a chat with HMRC is in order since they should know better than anybody how their own administartive system works in this situation.
     
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    Well our first 2 imports from Europe have been hard work even though we thought we were fully prepared.
     
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    We have had the same problem but it was German customs holding the stock, the distributor has ensured us that its a teething issue and won't last!
     
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    Nothing insurmountable here too but just slowed things down a bit. Even though our shippers and suppliers all told us we were ready just had a couple of minor hitches with the new pallet spec and disagreement between the two over incoterms. Hopefully all resolved - now lets see if they get through customs. One thing is for sure, at least in the interim, shipments will take longer to get here and cost more.
     
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    On another point. My colleague ordered a high spec Arcteryx? jacket direct from the manufacturers uk website for £400. UPS brought it yesterday but wouldn't hand it over until he paid £157 vat, duties and charges because it had been shipped from the manufacturers European depot. He has been told he can reclaim this. I'll let you know how it goes
     
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