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Players taking the knee

Discussion in 'General Football' started by bantamlad92, Sep 3, 2021.

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What is your stance on City players taking the knee?

  1. Keep doing it indefinitely

    10.6%
  2. Keep doing it for now

    12.9%
  3. Probably needs to stop as it has run its course

    27.3%
  4. Definitely needs to stop now

    30.3%
  5. Not sure / not bothered

    18.9%
  1. Offcomedun

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    It's bloody obvious why players didn't take the knee beforehand. Because the vast majority of people put up with all kinds of crap stuff and don't take radical stances for fear of criticism and reprisals. You only need to see the response to black players missing penalties at the Euros to see what kind of abuse they are subject to at the drop of a hat.

    It required someone of exceptional courage to make a gesture and be a leader. Colin Kaepernick did that when he revived the 1960s taking a knee gesture. He was then followed by numerous other US athletes from various sports. That opened the way for other athletes, such as our footballers, to do likewise without feeling that they were putting themselves out on a limb.

    The subsequent adoption of the knee by Black Lives Matter is irrelevant. It started as as a gesture by sportsmen and women, unaligned to any party or political movement, and that's what it remains for all of those doing it.

    Let's face it, the vast majority of those who boo the knee don't know about the ideology of an unrepresentative handful of irrelevant extremist activists within the massive US BLM movement. That's not why they're booing. Most are people who mistakenly believe that racism is overstated and/or would just prefer not to think about the issue because it doesn't affect them. In a small minority of cases they are outright racists who don't want discrimination against black people to stop.

    It was clear from the crowd reaction on Saturday that this forum is not representative of the wider fanbase. A tiny minority booed. The vast majority either maintained a respectful silence or clapped.
     
  2. Biker

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    That is a really ridiculous comparison.

    when I propose to my intended am I now a blm sympathiser!
     
  3. Ricky

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    Any city fan wishing a talk about about the the discussion I am more happy to happy to meet up in a civil manner to express my and yours opinion.
    And you believe that
     
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    It's not a ridiculous comparison. It shows that you can't separate gestures from the ideology behind them. And the players and FA etc undoubtedly aligned taking a knee with BLM..

    No. You're not. But that isn't the same type of protest gesture is it, neither is tying your shoelace.
     
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    Nobody on here have said they would boo.

    In actual fact the vast majority stayed silent but it was good to have much more support than detractors. It's important to be able to see more than just your own point of view though.
     
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    Any city or indeed premier League player contact me directly I am more than happy to take you in a discussion about taking the knee, so let's see who has the balls
     
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  7. bantamlad92

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    That's like doing a nazi salute and saying I'm not standing with the nazi's.
     
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    People booed and complained when City flew the Rainbow flag and wore rainbow laces so not sure you are right
     
  9. Offcomedun

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    Do you seriously believe that a bunch of well paid, relatively under-educated footballers are taking the knee because of the ideological principles of a US based protest movement?
    Of course they aren't. They are just making a simple gesture to highlight racism, following the lead of the US sportspeople who started doing it.
     
  10. Storck

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    Who did that salute before the Nazi's?
     
  11. Offcomedun

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    I never said that anybody on here said they would boo. But the poll on here is being used by some to suggest that there is a majority in favour of it stopping. I suggest that the reaction on Saturday doesn't support that view.
     
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    spot on
     
  14. bantamlad92

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    I would strongly disagree with that to be fair. Most conservatives/right-leaning people tend to be silent voters.
     
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    No idea and don't care to be honest, but that salute is exclusively associated in the modern world to Nazis.
     
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    And that is the difference. That salute is ONLY connected with the Nazi movement, no previous history, no other use. Taking the knee was done 50 years before the BLM movement that you are connecting it with, it was then brought back into media by American Footballers but you are still saying it has a direct and unique connection to one part of the BLM movement
     
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    The counter-suggestion and by far the most likely explanation is that the majority of voters whom are right-leaning or conservative keep their cards close to their chest.

    For example, if we take Twitter in the last general election, if we took what people said on there as an indication of how the G.E was going to pan out, then Jeremy Corbyn would have been a runaway winner.
     
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    No he knelt in support of the protestors. Did you read the article attached, which is from 2017.
     
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    I didn't to be honest. I was familiar with the photograph. It's definitely him praying.
     

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