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  1. Chrisako

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    I totally agree - professional sport is the only place where you can get rewarded for failure - ie getting your contract paid up for being poor at your job.
     
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  2. Bantamsteve

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    What about the banking sector
    They get rewarded and bailed out for failing
     
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  3. Bigrod

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    Just a small side thought. Now that the EFL has introduced Salary Caps, then if a player were ‘sacked’, with a Contract for the season, then the club would probably have to pay them off the rest of its duration. If they did, then the EFL could say that they could not reuse the sum to sign another player. Another factor would be the number of players the club had signed. Say it had been up to the 22 ceiling, the EFL could claim that you could not sign another player. I could see other clubs saying that you were trying to get an unfair advantage.
     
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  4. Hoochy-Min

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    Remember when we 'had to let Vaughan go' because he wouldn't have tried if we'd forced him to stay? If their pay was based around staying withing certain parameters that are clearly measurable then that sort of thing would be less within a player's control.
     
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  5. Bigrod

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    As I say I like the proposal. However the formula you come up with, would mean a lot of money out of the wages budget.
    Based on a formula of 18 wins a season for a mid table side. Then the equation based on 13 players being eligible is 234 getting a £1,000 per game, so a club would on average have to put £234,000 of the £1,500,000 aside for bonuses.
    In the last full season, teams got 20+ wins to get into the promotion slots/play offs. So the same formula would mean a club could potentially have to pay out at the very least £260,000 plus. The clubs who got automatic promotion or into the play offs, with extra games, then up to £300,000, or twenty percent of the budget.
    Now if the EFL changed its criteria for next season and said that £1,500,000 was for the basic salary and that clubs could reward players with a win bonus employing a pot based on your £1,000 per player, per win, then it may work. Trying to allow for that flexibility within the current cap, would mean around a 20% reduction in the salary range I quoted above, which I think would be unacceptable to many players and for sure the PFA.
     
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  6. Bigrod

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    These links may help.
    ‘The bargaining position of many managers is such that they are able to negotiate favourable severance clauses that provide for much higher compensation then they would be able to recover in a Employment Tribunal claim for unfair dismissal, which would be subject to a statutory cap on a compensation award of £74,200’. https://www.lyonsdavidson.co.uk/ask-football-managers-employment-rights/

    ‘Hence, when a club sacks a coach, the common situation would be such that, reverting to the contract, the club would pay the manager compensation for its early termination. Such compensation is usually calculated based on the remaining period of the contract, i.e. the earlier the termination, the higher the compensation.

    In some cases, managers might not have clauses in their contracts that provide they have a duty to mitigate any loss suffered as a consequence of the termination of their employment. This can lead to a scenario where a sacked manager is paid off, say, the remaining 2 years of their contract then gets another job a short time later, meaning it adds up as something of a windfall’. https://www.sportsscore.co.uk/blog/2017/11/13/legal-fallout-from-managerial-sackings
     
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  7. Bigrod

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    I understand what you are saying, but I think you have to accept that unless they commit a serious crime, then they are unlikely to be sacked.

    You cited managers getting sacked, and the information available suggests that they get their salary ‘paid off’.

    There is no easy answer.

    The only obvious option is to go down the line of ER, which I understand was to pay a reduced basic salary and to have much larger performance bonuses.

    Seems somewhat ironic that you are coming up with a similar proposal.
     
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  8. Storck

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    The freedom has to be a two way street, so if a club aren’t performing a player should be able to give notice and leave and get a new club? No more transfer fees and sell on clauses
     
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    Sorry mate missed your post.
     
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  10. XCIV_Bantam

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    in the lower leagues the costs aren't as high as you'd think i would say less than £100,000 PA for some players a lot more will be on less than that. This like @JonButterfield@JonButterfield said would only last to their mid thirties if not reduced already. the system is fine as is. Really its down to the club for due dilligence to research and vet managers/head coaches that in turn improve recruitment.

    Lastly just a thought, it looks like this is system is in place to hold onto assets before they move higher up the system. with your method its far easier to drop tools to facilitate a move to another club. Wellens a good current example. Salford will have paid compo for him.
     
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  11. Keefly Bantam

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    Sorry mate, meant £1K per player. Though good points made.
     
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  12. Storck

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    In a normal job your employer would have to go through numerous processes before sacking you for bit being good at your job. Some sort of warning, seeing if it was a skill issue or a will issue, extra training by people that are good at the task, chance to improve etc.
    How would that work with a footballer?
     
  13. Chrisako

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    Incorrect - in the first 1-2 years of your contract, your employer can sack you and you don’t have a leg to stand on, after 2 years there is protocol to adhere to
     
  14. Chrisako

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    And you don’t get your contract paid you might get your week in hand if your lucky
     
  15. Keefly Bantam

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    Go through that process you outlined. Video evidence will be available to say we taught you to do X and you continually do Y.
     
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  16. Chrisako

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    Very True
     
  17. Bigrod

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    Just an observation on that point above. Many service personnel have a time limited career. Not many serve beyond twenty two years. They can operate away from home and family and in dangerous environments. However they have far lower levels of pay. People can and do move on and have second careers. A career in football should be seen as a stage in a players career. Given the ageing population of the UK, it is highly probable that some of the younger players, will not be able to draw a pension until they are 70. It is totally unrealistic to think that the vast majority of players can earn sufficient in their careers, to support them throughout the rest of their lives.

    Looking at the last point, I guess it is hard to produce an objective formula about performance and wether or not a player is operating at an acceptable level. I would be interested to see how you propose to measure it? Employment law may mean it is difficult to terminate contracts, without some objective measurement.
     
  18. Keefly Bantam

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    Fair points. And yet managers are sacked when in play off positions. So employment law is not really a barrier to terminating contracts in football.
     
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    That is sort of right legally. Unless there is any sort of discrimination you don’t have any claim to unfair dismissal but you could still sue for breach on contract. Plus a lot of companies have the processes built into the terms and conditions so are not time restricted
     
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    And in that time they are still getting picked to play on a regular basis?
     
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