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There is your problem. Watch the Virtue Signaling Council to ride this bandwagon and bow down to the mob.

 

I believe Sadiq Khan has removed a statue, I'm all for democracy deciding the situation rather than Lord Mayors.

I'll be honest until the press picked up on the mob throwing Colstons statue in the river I wasn't aware of his past as I'm sure if others are honest neither were they, but we are where we are it seems that only the white men who were slave traders are the bad guys, yet it was manly black gang masters who sold the slaves to the likes of Colston.
Without doubt looking at the situation he was dealing in slave trafficking to generate his wealth I can't see where any poster has tried to argue differently, unfortunately we are talking about things that happend 400 years ago where things were completely different, that's not an excuse but fact.
Colston was without doubt involved in trafficking slaves, but on the other side was his philanthropy supporting endowed schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches in Bristol, giving away much of his wealth to help others.
I'm sure we'll not agree on this subject but this is all brought about because of (which I don't condone) the loss of a career criminal in Minneapolis, what we are seeing now has very little to do with that indecent, of course "black lives matter" but no more than white or any other skin colour of a fellow human.

 

The bright side of this story is at least you don’t have a mob tearing it down. People have the right to petition for it to be removed and people have the right to fight for it to stay. As long as it doesn’t descend into the ridiculous scenes elsewhere I’m fine with it. We still live in a free and democratic country people on all sides need to get perspective and start acting like it again.

 

before any statue is removed It’s should go out to public consultation we live in a democracy

 

If you go the T&A website there is a poll which at the moment stands at 80-12 to keep it Peel park and retain the statue. The trouble is it’s the people who shout the loudest win the day. I understand Some of the figures commemorated aCross the country have shady pasts but they are part of the history. Perhaps some of them would be better in museums but this has to be the decision of local people and in the case of people like Winston Churchill national opinion

 

Will this statue be up for discussion on whether it should be removed or not Nelson Mandela was accused of being a member of ANC a terrorist organisation for many years.
Later Nelson Mandela proved himself to be a great leader but at the time trying to overthrow the then government was a serious offence, would anyone still class this man as a terrorist for what we now know that he did for South Africa's, becoming South Africa's first black president.

 

Is this where I ask about the forcible repatriation of 45,0000 Russian Cossacks by Winston Churchill at the end of the Second World War, or would that be a different page?

 

Modern slavery is prevalent in the UK, the gangmasters, the county linesmen, the Mr Bigs all add to the small fry of society being exploited.

 

I thought this virus might Bring all folks Closer together
How daft am I

 

Thought much of U K don’t do that
More fun looking for a statue to pull down

 

The Robert Peel statues are a great part of the debate. The father of the modern police force and quite a liberal for a Tory! Interesting on the Wiki page he wasn't afraid to change his mind for the greater good with this quote quite pertinent at the moment "though emancipation was a great danger, civil strife was a greater danger".

Undoubtedly, he wouldn't have ever been the Prime Minister had his father not been a very rich man funded in part by the slave trade.

 

I think I've read Sadiq Khan already has moved the statue of Robert Milligan.
When was the consultation on this? This destruction of statues is some sort of post-truth nightmare. What next? Renaming roads you do not like?

 

A great call, something my dad mentioned the other day.

 

Winston Churchill was also instrumental in creating a country for the Arab Muslims which is called Iraq.
This is a part of history that Lawrence of Arabia was involved in when with with the help of the Arabs he twice helped drive the Turks from that land.
A lot of these protesters are selective in remembering certain historic events.

 

Just to get stuck in here, its never about erasing history. No one is going through every single book and deleting their names from history. Its about admiring people who by todays standards would be locked up for crimes against humanity. Whilst you are correct at the time yes it was normal, it shouldnt be celebrated today. I am NOT saying that he shouldn't be up there. I'm am just explaining from the other side.


And with regards to 'blackface' and other things thats a changing of the times. I'm not a fan of censoring things as it shows the culture of the time. (Friends has poor attitudes towards being gay but it was 25 years ago! )

 

Has it moved to East Coast?

 

He was a convicted Murderer and terrorist ,he was also a bomb maker for the ANC, he was also implicated in a car bombing that killed 19 .