Peel Park

Has it moved to East Coast?

 

The bright side of this story is at least you don’t have a mob tearing it down. People have the right to petition for it to be removed and people have the right to fight for it to stay. As long as it doesn’t descend into the ridiculous scenes elsewhere I’m fine with it. We still live in a free and democratic country people on all sides need to get perspective and start acting like it again.

 

There is your problem. Watch the Virtue Signaling Council to ride this bandwagon and bow down to the mob.

 

The Robert Peel statues are a great part of the debate. The father of the modern police force and quite a liberal for a Tory! Interesting on the Wiki page he wasn't afraid to change his mind for the greater good with this quote quite pertinent at the moment "though emancipation was a great danger, civil strife was a greater danger".

Undoubtedly, he wouldn't have ever been the Prime Minister had his father not been a very rich man funded in part by the slave trade.

 

before any statue is removed It’s should go out to public consultation we live in a democracy

 

I think I've read Sadiq Khan already has moved the statue of Robert Milligan.
When was the consultation on this? This destruction of statues is some sort of post-truth nightmare. What next? Renaming roads you do not like?

 

If you go the T&A website there is a poll which at the moment stands at 80-12 to keep it Peel park and retain the statue. The trouble is it’s the people who shout the loudest win the day. I understand Some of the figures commemorated aCross the country have shady pasts but they are part of the history. Perhaps some of them would be better in museums but this has to be the decision of local people and in the case of people like Winston Churchill national opinion

 

Will this statue be up for discussion on whether it should be removed or not Nelson Mandela was accused of being a member of ANC a terrorist organisation for many years.
Later Nelson Mandela proved himself to be a great leader but at the time trying to overthrow the then government was a serious offence, would anyone still class this man as a terrorist for what we now know that he did for South Africa's, becoming South Africa's first black president.

 

He was a convicted Murderer and terrorist ,he was also a bomb maker for the ANC, he was also implicated in a car bombing that killed 19 .

 

Is this where I ask about the forcible repatriation of 45,0000 Russian Cossacks by Winston Churchill at the end of the Second World War, or would that be a different page?

 

I don't really think thats a straight comparison. Did Samuel Colston for example become a successful slave trader for the good of the people or to make loads of money?

R.E the peel statue and peel park, people are well within their rights to petition for something to be taken down. as someone has done, start a petition to save it if you feel it should be saved. Nobody has forcibly removed anything so far so to me there is no issue at all with at the very least a discussion on the issue.

 

Aye, he was very much misunderstood lol....

 

Yep someone has started a petition to save it.

T&A have done a poll too.

On Colston did he become a successful slave trader? Or did the company that he invested in and help manage trade in loads of different stuff with slaves being just a small part. Were they successful at it as I’ve read they lost kids during transportation, not very successful

 

I believe Sadiq Khan has removed a statue, I'm all for democracy deciding the situation rather than Lord Mayors.

I'll be honest until the press picked up on the mob throwing Colstons statue in the river I wasn't aware of his past as I'm sure if others are honest neither were they, but we are where we are it seems that only the white men who were slave traders are the bad guys, yet it was manly black gang masters who sold the slaves to the likes of Colston.
Without doubt looking at the situation he was dealing in slave trafficking to generate his wealth I can't see where any poster has tried to argue differently, unfortunately we are talking about things that happend 400 years ago where things were completely different, that's not an excuse but fact.
Colston was without doubt involved in trafficking slaves, but on the other side was his philanthropy supporting endowed schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches in Bristol, giving away much of his wealth to help others.
I'm sure we'll not agree on this subject but this is all brought about because of (which I don't condone) the loss of a career criminal in Minneapolis, what we are seeing now has very little to do with that indecent, of course "black lives matter" but no more than white or any other skin colour of a fellow human.

 

You make a good point but that is exactly the issue here. If we start asking for statues to be pulled down due to the bad things the person in the statue did out weighing the good things they did we open a whole can of worms. These protesters need to do their homework.I
On his release Nelson Mandela did a lot of good and for a while united the country, and that will be his legacy.
Slavery was a bad thing in history but it's part of history and we can't change that. The statues we put up are there to remind us of historic events, good and bad events, that's history.
I'm 63 and when I was at school in history we were taught about the good and bad side of the "Triangular Slave Trade". Had it been for the slave trade would North America be as multicultural as it is today?
On the subject of slavery, apparently it is alive and kicking, in Africa! Is that not worth protesting about?

 

A great call, something my dad mentioned the other day.

 

Modern slavery is prevalent in the UK, the gangmasters, the county linesmen, the Mr Bigs all add to the small fry of society being exploited.