Partygate

The Tories were in control of Bradford Council for ten years, until 2010, during a period of mostly economic prosperity nationally. Unlike Labour, who've had to cope with massive budget cuts imposed by central government since then. What did the Tories do for Bradford that was so great during their much easier ten years in office?

Parliamentary debates get cancelled and rearranged all the time. What a pathetic argument. It's the Opposition's job to oppose. Johnson was off grovelling to Modi, trying to play the big international statesmen whilst being sussed out for lying about Partygate. No opposition party would turn down the opportunity to nail the government/PM when they've been caught with their pants on fire. Johnson certainly wouldn't have, if the tables were turned. People on here have often complained about Labour failing to ram home obvious advantages - it would have been madness not to have done so.

 

No, we're saying that unless there is credible evidence, as opposed to pure conjecture in your head, there's no case to answer

 

The full scale of the Downing Street Parties will come out in time via the Sue Gray report and I would guess they will make this beergate look rather trivial.

There does seem to be one thing that stays consistent throughout all these rules. All politicians were playing fast and lose with them. Corbyn was pictured at a house gathering with over 6 people, Krankie seems to think masks are optional when selfies are involved, Drakeford tells people to show caution whilst taking party in a Diwali party, Well Boris and Keir are well documented. They all rallied round Cummings, Hancock was having his bit on the side when you couldn't see your family, yet time after time they went to the house of commons and extended the laws to impose these restrictions knowing full well they weren't adhering to them.

The rules were the issue, a blanket set of restriction on everyone regardless of risk was wrong, especially when those at the highest of risk (elderly in care homes) were pretty much sent to their deaths whilst daft rules where it didn't really matter like rules of 6 etc were imposed just to make it visible that something was being done.

 

Cecxeecg

I used to think this but we've gone past that point. You do realise that Johnson and his mates are actually laughing at you right now, quite literally taking the piss out of the likes of me and you every single day. And you think this is better than the alternative? It's like letting someone walk all over you then thanking them for not being as and as an unknown alternative.
It's time the alternative was given a chance no matter how bad the perception.

 

Cecxeecg

I used to think this but we've gone past that point. You do realise that Johnson and his mates are actually laughing at you right now, quite literally taking the piss out of the likes of me and you every single day. And you think this is better than the alternative? It's like letting someone walk all over you then thanking them for not being as and as an unknown alternative.
It's time the alternative was given a chance no matter how bad the perception.

There has to be some credible evidence and believe me the Tories will have PR companies following Starmers every move. Yet this is the best they can come up with. I'm no apologist for Labour, as Offcomedun knows I hate politicians with a passion, but watching the Tories flap like fish out of water desperately trying to climb onto that moral high ground is pretty pathetic.
This country for the vast majority now is a massive shitshow underseen by the worst prime minister in living memory.
I despise him and can't wait for the day karma catches up with him.

 

They all make me sick to the core. Westminster is one of the most corrupt organisations in the world

 

Those 17 seconds were filmed by Corbynites who are still upset at Corbyn's removal as leader even after Labours worst election results in a century.

I can't remember who posted it first but it was some Corbyn loyalist on twitter last year.

 

But he was doing nothing wrong! He was having a meal break during a work session. There's nothing in the rules that said you couldn't have a beer with your meal. The pi e have accepted that the rules were not broken.
Everything else is pure conjecture. Unlike Johnson, who has been found guilty of attending at least one illegal social gathering and, from the information available (ie not idle speculation) likely several more.

 

Roger it does mean sticking with the labour council then and no change.

 

Roger it does mean sticking with the labour council then and no change.

 

You just don't get it, do you? At the time, millions of people were prevented from gathering to celebrate birthdays, christenings, weddings or attend any type of social ritual that is normal practice, including being present at the death of loves ones or holding proper funerals. In that context, stopping work for half an hour in celebration of the PM's birthday, including the presence of his (non work-related) wife and child and the presentation of a pre-arranged birthday cake, was a flagrant disregard of of the exceedingly strict rules that governed the rest of the population. That's worlds away from grabbing a takeaway and a beer during a working trip 300 miles from home. If you can't grasp the distinction then I can't help you.

 

Serial liar ? Look at the evidence so far with Durham and you give Starmer the excuse of busy man but when it comes to the PM it’s a different matter.

The last paragraph is what you hope happened but the students who filmed it think differently.

 

You must get it that the leader of the opposition went on the holier than thou approach on party gate and brought up terrible Covid examples of people who suffered knowing he was in the wrong himself.

 

But childhood cancer debate ? have some feelings man.

 

That doesn't surprise me. Some of them will go to any lengths to discredit Starmer. I've seen first hand how the far left fringe of the Labour Party operates. They appear to hate the soft left more than they hate the Tories and have no compunction about damaging the party's electoral prospects in the pursuit of their ideological purity. It's a racing certainty that if there had been multiple breaches of the rules that someone with a grudge against Starmer would have leaked them to the press.

 

But the point is, it wasn't having a beer and a curry after work, which would have been a social event. It was having a beer during a break from work. It was akin to a lunch break. The fact that it was late in the evening, rather than lunchtime, is irrelevant. It was a work break, not a social event, which will be why the police didn't pursue it further.
By contrast, stopping work, bringing in cake and a bunch of people who were not part of the workforce, for the sole purpose of celebrating Johnson's birthday, clearly made it a social gathering, not a work one. Sunak probably got inadvertently caught up in it, rather than being part of the plot to hold a sneaky birthday party where they thought it wouldn't be discovered. In which case he should have loudly said, 'this is bang out of order', left immediately and then challenged Johnson about it afterwards. But, as far as we know, he didn't. He went along with it, which is why he got fined.