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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by boltonroad, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    That's an impressive state of affairs but................they're back in division 3...!!
     
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  2. JonButterfield

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    Maybe, but you can never tell when it comes to the human heart.

    I've felt homesick on holiday before, sometimes it just makes no sense.
     
  3. brisbanebantams

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    they are but by putting a 5 year plan in place and sticking to it, they've now attracted investment from overseas from billionaire's, they are (net worth) one of the richest 5 owners in the country. they are setup with one of the best and most productive academies in the country and they have a much more stable and sound footing than most clubs at both championship and lower league levels. they could be classed as a 'yo-yo' club at the moment but like burnley when they went up and got relegated back to the premiership, barnsley will be structurally better the next time they are promoted to the championship and in a better position to stay there and then build again.
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    Don’t forget, up to 2017 Barnsley had a financial defecit of £5.5 million in three years, that included their promotion season and checkatrade trophy win. Their youth system has produced some good players recently but i’m presuming some of that defecit is a direct action of a well funded youth development system. We just don’t have that, our facilities and yourh development staff are nowhere near the standard of Barnsley. Patience and willing means little without the realtime financies to back it. I admire Rahic’s stance in trying to develop young players but without decent coaches and facilities you are pissing in the wind.
     
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    So where is our 5 year plan? We've only ever heard of a 3 year plan, to get us in the Championship and that third year is now and it doesn't look likely at all given the performances!!

    Businesses have a 3 / 5 year plan that they tell shareholders about and then are judged on that. I worked for a major corporate for 30 years and everybody was judged against the strategic plan.


    I would love R&R to come out and say what the 5 year plan is so that supporters understand it and I've said it before.

    If they communicated and said over the next 5 years we want to do this...improve the pitch, buy back the shop, create a fans bar area, create a better website, better ticket site, create a new fans forum, liaise with supporter groups etc and we want to better our academy, create a development squad, want several of those players pushing for first team, want to be in the Championship...

    Fans can buy into that and maybe be a little more patient on the footballing side of things.

    But when you get mixed messages from the owners 'we're going for autos next year' and then reduce the budget and want to sack the manager......we're taking our time as it is the most important decision to find a head coach and then appoint a novice with less than 10 years coaching experience and didn't apply for the job...how can that lead you to '#believe' in them?
     
  6. Dennis

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    And there are some parallels between what Cryne did with Barnsley and what Rahic has said about how he wants to develop City.

    Firstly the similarities - both wanted to create a conveyor belt of young talent and under-valued potential stars to be developed at the club and (hopefully) sold at a profit or to progress into their first team squad. Both saw this approach as providing a long term and sustainable approach without them having to subsidise the first team squad in the future (Barnsley aren't quite there yet!).

    Secondly the differences. Cryne invested his own money in the club's academy infrastructure - coaching, pitches, separate ground etc - and Rahic hasn't been willing to do this other than by diverting resources from elsewhere in the club. Cryne maintained the stability of the academy by not raiding it to support the first team squad in a crisis. Rahic transferred the Academy's coaching staff to the first team coaching staff without replacing them. Cryne continued to invest in the academy to such an extent that the academy was awarded Cat 2 classification. Rahic hasn't invested in our academy and we are standing still in the lower Cat 3.

    The result is that Barnsley has reaped the benefits of the original Cryne investment and as you've shown, has produced a conveyor belt of talent some of which have been sold for handsome profits whilst others are now in their first team squad. But they have been doing this for several years now whilst we are still at the starting gate. Had Cryne adopted the Rahic variation to the Barnsley approach without investing anything in their academy's academy; without having a very focused approach on development of their talent and having to juggle the club's resources (coaches and money) between the different demands on those resources, I doubt Barnsley would be in the position they're now in on the development front.

    We continue to spread the jam way too thinly between the academy, the development squad and the first team because the R&R approach is to recycle money within the club and to rely upon windfalls from player sales, cup runs etc rather than to invest and create something for the future. The R&R approach is little different from that used by ML and JR. I'd really like them to follow the Barnsley approach and repeat their success but it won't happen by trying to do it on the cheap and without investing upfront.
     
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    i agree but everything has to start somewhere.. it doesn't magically just happen over night and like any good structure behind a decent youth setup you have to start with the foundations. we've had relatively half-decent success lately with getting decent amounts of money for wisdom, green, mcburnie and others, we just need to become better and more consistent. i'm not disagreeing with you but simply saying it can work if the model is correct - but the model and 'business plan' takes time. unfortunately, people are willing to give time in this era (outside of football too), everything is wanted now and yesterday.
     
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    Great post, and a very interesting read.
     
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    Just as i said Den, it takes money to make the world go round. Doing this right takes major investment, something that you are going to have accept that you will make a loss on for the first couple of years with no guarantee of long term success. Rahic has the right intentions but seems to forget about the major investment.
     
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    Exactly. I know it's a cliché but if we want to succeed via the academy/development route to either produce first team talent or money from their sales, we will have to speculate to accumulate. And that means the owners will have to find the funds to provide the upfront investment.
     
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    All depends how serious Rahic is for success of his development squad. More investment now in the infrastructure should raise the chances of turning around young players quicker for a profit. Takimg money from elsewhere in the budget to fund it means weakening other parts of the team, a strong first team is essential for long term financial success. The sale of players has to happen for the long future of the club,
    I just don’t see enough investment for it to reap the rewards that Rahic is looking for.
     
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