Good post Jon.
I've been taking an interest in digital art for about a year now. I can understand some people think it's weird but then others thought it was weird when Sky went to the West Indies to live broadcast cricket. Some said espn cricinfo was bonkers writing a blog of ball by ball cricket coverage! They were wrong on both counts.
I wish people would said "I don't understand something" and have an open mind in trying to understand it rather than coming out with nonsense and actually lies that you did so well to de-bunk there!
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Botswana Bantam Regular StarterP.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter
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Trustworthy enough for the 2nd biggest sports brand in the world but not for Bradford City...says it all
Imagine the horror if they did buy us though! Within a couple of reasons we'd be relegated to the division below, then stuck there after they declare the club is now becoming 'self-sustainable' (aka "I'm not putting money in"). They'd certainly be splashing the cash on fancy racecars while we're reduced to a transfer window full of loans. We'd be floundering for any sense of direction whilst they speak to us once a year from their mansions in Germany America.
You do have to ask, would those so complacent to 'just have a club' and teeter on in League Two, making excuses for an owner who's overseen the worst decline in the EFL (besides Scunthorpe) - would they have the same attitude if WAGMI replicated Rupp's success here? Or would it be different because they're American and their product requires a little more understanding than "it's something you sit on"?Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Loyalbantam, Hoochy-Min, JimmyBantam and 4 others like this. -
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Wagmi used NFTs as a basic example for people like you, who blatently know nothing about web 3.0, to understand. Seems that went way over your head. Do you really think a consortium of guys who made hundreds of millions of pounds on crypto would have a plan of selling digital pictures of Oscar Threlkeld as their main strategy? Really? The bradford city fanbase is so lucrative that they would spend their working week trying to get 15,000 bradford fans to buy some art? They would make more in 6 months trading than they would in ten years trying to bleed bradford fans dry. Its ridiculous and shows you havent thought much about it.
NFTs would not be their sole income stream and even if it was its much more complex than your basic description. For example I sell NFT art on one of my websites. Its the most basic artwork and it goes for a tenner. The artwork is not the key thing here its what they get for the artwork. When a user buys an NFT they get access to member benefits, best deals, first to find out about new stock, limited edition stock just for them. Its much more in depth than what i am mentioning here but lets look at bradford city instead. You buy an NFT for £300 it provides you with a unique photo of your fave player, maybe an autograph something simple, you then get access to the ground on matchdays (season ticket), you get priority away tickets, you get to meet the team after a game etc. the NFT itself is just a receipt and a ledger.
Lets look at DAOs which Salford FC are just setting up. The DAO allows fans or anyone to invest through buying tokens. Bradford city could pick a niche, use the investment to build a new academy and sell on players to bigger clubs with a portion of the sales put aside for investors. Or the DAO is setup by the club but has no bearing on the pitch such as investing in new goal line tech, VAR tech, even cheap bloody handrier tech. All would bring up the value of the coin/token and then allow the club to grow. i.e. just like SALFORD ARE DOING - just google DAO CO92
Sorry to pick on you but the bullshit level of your post needed knocking down a peg or two. Especially given the fact that a very legitimate criticism you could have had was what has been mentioned before about them having no knowledge of football and bradford city culture. That itself was a big issue WAGMI had. Their ability to make money certainly not.JimmyBantam, EricMcManus, ModernBantam and 1 other person like this. -
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For those who haven't a clue about NFTs. here's an article written in a straightforward manner without too much technical guff on what it's all about. It was written about 6 months ago, and NFTs have evolved in the meantime but not so much as to undermine the article
https://www.theverge.com/22310188/nft-explainer-what-is-blockchain-crypto-art-faqEricMcManus and Briggus like this. -
NFT's may pump and dump. For me, the jury is still out - There are lots of whales manipulating wallets extracting cash from greater fools.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/evidence-nft-sales-fake?utm_campaign=trueAnthem_manual&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
But everyone said that the internet was a fad and crypto too. So I'm not going to dismiss it and I'll happily watch and wait.
I can see merits in NFT's - not with penguins and duck Memes. Sony is paying hundreds of millions to buy up artists music back catalogues which in essence is just the digital Copyright. They'll make money off the royalties.
There's no doubt that WAGMI could raise the cash. But it was easy come easy go money, with no real plan and skin in the game which was the route of the fear. The people behind it didn't get Bradford City, the essence of football and the community responsibility. It wasn't principally fear about the funny money.
A DAO token raise to create an initial £20M treasury with a plan and people who know the club and how to run businesses would work. It ain't that difficult to do, or explain.
It's a SPAC that is using tokens to raise money, instead of a stock market and shares. The DAO simply cuts out costly middlemen, stockbrokers and AIM fees. You use the cash to buy the club, put in a Director of football and invest cash in talent to develop/sell/reinvest. Brentford/Peterborough put prime pumped for take-off and accelerated growth.
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It’ll certainly be interesting to watch how the Crawley experiment goes, regardless it doesn’t solve our problems however. I judge success on league positions and 5th in league 1 to 14th in league 2 is a terrible look for Rupp. So far other than shit American humour they haven’t actually done anything wrong. I imagine with a takeover so late in the season(really the season tickets should have been put up while the previous owner was still in charge, as with ours at the end of 15/16) and the shocking allegations against their former manager has effected the timings of everything. To me it looks like the shit show is what they’ve inherited rather than created, but their tweets look like they’re aimed more at 15 year old Americans rather than British football fans, they’ll have to learn their audience.
We’ll see how both clubs do, but I doubt Crawley have been as lucky as to have a Mark Hughes drop into their spam folder. Sometimes though I suppose it’s better to be lucky than good as my grandad said.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Dennis and Rogered Tart like this. -
Apart from a league 2 football club that doesn't own it's own ground and trains at a school ffs.vladimir likes this. -
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A club ran like that would be in a bad state, imagine their fans wouldn’t be happy about it…Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...bantamdave41 likes this. -
I'm not aware however that they have teamed up with WAGMI Inc, the company who made an offer to buy us. Adidas, along with the many other new entrants in the NFT market do however use the WAGMI strapline (We Are Gonna Make It) to reinforce their commitment to NFTs and promote their products.. The generic strapline isn't the same as WAGMI Inc, the company.Keefly Bantam likes this. -
I still don't understand the relevance of why a couple of players who were/are involved in establishing the NFT market should automatically be lauded for showing some ill-defined interest in our club. I have serious doubts whether somebody who has little interest in owning our football club would have turned down a serious offer to buy our club, irrespective of how they made their millions.EricMcManus likes this. -
Until we get past this stage the only people really benefiting from NFT's are the original creators of the NFT and anyone who gets in early before the buzz of that range of NFT's and anyone heavily into NFT's knows this. People buying a football club with NFT's as a business strategy aren't going to throw that income into the clubs in any real way, they will be taking the money themselves to cover their investment before the NFT market crashes. And the crash will happen when people get skittish because these non-utility NFT's suddenly see their values drop. There will only be a small number of NFT's that will come through this, those with some inbuilt utility, I suspect mostly in the gaming sector be it NFT based games like Sorare or more traditional games that find ways to include NFT's with utility in them. And it will be them and the lessons learnt that are going to push NFT's mainstream so everyone will own some NFT. Much like the early days of the internet, we may even need more than one bubble bursting to get away from the quick cash grabs so everything can be built better
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Oh and just in case anyone reading my reply hasn't seen me previously discuss NFT's and Crypto and may think I'm just talking negatively because I don't 'get' them. I first invested in bitcoin when it was only a couple of dollars per coin, I hold Crypto currently in about 18 different cryptos. On NFT's this is my current NFT holdings in Sorare
So as you can see with 1.66ETH worth of NFT's on Sorare I believe in NFT's that have utility (Sorare is an NFT based fantasy football game. So the cards have both utility and you can win both Eth and additional cards. It's a project I fully recommend for anyone with both an interest in football and interested in knowing more about crypto because it's free to signup and you will get some free common cards that can be used to play in the free casual league. Just make sure you use an affiliate link, be it mine, https://sorare.com/r/simonwakefield or someone else's as if you start buying cards you will get a free one when you buy your 5th from the auctions)
I also own 4 Football Clubs in Footium (This is an in-development Football Management game that uses NFT's) and a StonerCat NFT (An NFT backed by the Actress Mila Kunis which gets you access to Episodes of an Animated Series of the same name that has some of the biggest people in the industry involved both in the production and the voicing of the episodes). As well as about a dozen other projects.
If NFT's have utility and some proven pedigree behind them so you know it's not just a scam then I fully believe in NFT's. The market just hasn't yet worked out how to give a worthwhile longer-term utility beyond a very narrow scope like gaming or like Stonercats giving you access to all episodes of a show for as long as you hold the token.
With things like sports clubs that's not something, anyone has yet found something that really works because it's hard to introduce anything that might give worth without it conflicting with the fact its traditional business or having to constantly ask the same people to buy more and more or having to dilute the investment of original investors when you need more money. It might actually be something that to work needs a whole new club created and built from the bottomStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...JimmyBantam likes this. -
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