Well you could have blown me down with a feather when the news broke that dodgy John Bercow has left the Tory Party to become a member of the Labour Party, well to be fair to him he did everything in his power to determine the referendum vote would not be easy for the Tories to get through parliament.
Could be a possible challenge for the Labour leadership if they get him a safe seat in one of the London boroughs, maybe kick Diane Abbott out and give him Hackney North ?.
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Tony Wilkinson Squad PlayerP.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter P.L. 20/21 Top 10Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Sergio Pinto III likes this.
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The energy was refresshing though and a great change from Starmer and Milliband who stood in before *shudders*trevor likes this. -
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Jess Phillips for me, the only one who can re-connect with Labours lost voters. Simply because she is the only one who can open her gob and speak honestly and with conviction.
Long-Bailey propped up by Momentum's Jon Lansman (Labour leader?), a guy who with one look at his coiffed hair, designer specs and floral shirts will send any cradle to grave northern Labour voter running away as fast as he/she can. Plus she makes Boris look honest.
Starmer, he's blown it right now! He may or may not end up Labour leader but he'll lose the next election, he cannot nail his colours to the mast, any colours or any mast, and that is what caused voters to not vote Tory at the election, but to vote not-Labour. -
Is the question who we think will win or who we want to win?
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Even as a daughter of an Indian immigrat she said she could see their point, next one to talk about immigration was no other than Sir Keir Starmer, saying under him it would be a free for all, they have just had the biggest kicking in the bollocks from the electorate and they still churn out the same old policies.
Emily Thornberry who when she opens her gob makes me instantly dislike her actually got it right, the last general election was all about Brexit but Labour had a wishy washy will we won't we policy the electorate couldn't vote for them, even with free broadband thrown in, well I ask you what was that all about a deal breaker, you have to laugh. -
Andrea Leadsom was a bit of a surprise, but he's surrounded himself with pro brexiters which I dont think is a bad thing, its going to be a very interesting 11 months ahead if they stick to their promises. -
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Rayner will probably win the deputy contest, as she has the brown shirts behind too.
Wrong Daily and Rayner, Wrong Daily and Burgon. It doesn't really matter. It's the wilderness for another 10 year minimum. Infact it could even lead to the Labour party break up, as the left wing loon will really have taken over. -
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My problem with the last part of your post is that it's a leap in the dark. No one can be sure that a disintegration of the LP would necessarily lead to an effective realignment of the centre left. To be effective it would have to involve the Lib Dems and there's a lot of enmity and distrust that could scupper an effective realignment.
Also, I think the country needs more than just a return to Blairism, which is why I'm backing Starmer. He's the sensible centre left option who can unite the party, kick out the Trots and appealingly present some of the more radical measures that this country needs to recover from a decade (and counting) of disastrous Tory austerity, without all the baggage, image problems and incompetence of the Corbyn era. -
I referred to the a realignment of the centre left and as much as I 'd like to see it, unfortunately I don't see that working in the short term. With the current Tory MPs, there are no obvious ones left in a red Tory grouping who have been forced out of their party and few if any current MPs who would feel the need to cross the floor; the LibDems have their own problems; the Soubary mob have all but disappeared. And of course the FTFP voting system isn't conducive to providing support for a new grouping as others from all sides of politics have experienced. And all of that is before there is any discussion on the funding of a new party. As much as I'd like to see it, I don't see how a realignment could be brought about in the forseeable future. -
I do not see anyone or party to challenge the dream ticket of Trump and Boris for years to come
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I think Trump will get re-elected, astonishingly. He has totally trashed all semblence of political decency and checks & balances within the US system.
I think Johnson is a chancer. He's managed to climb the greasy pole by a combination of naked lying, switching sides at opportune moments, good luck at being in the right place at the right time to exploit Brexit, and useless opposition within his own party and Labour.
But Javid's resignation tells me there is still a shred of decency in our politics (unlike the US). I may be wrong but I think Johnson and the despicable worm Cummings may overreach themselves at some point. Johnson can be reckless and careless and it may bite him on the bum somewhere down the road. -
I know you have no faith in Boris and my vote for the Tories as you know was because of brexit, but surely controlled immigration with our government saying who can come and live here and what they contribute has got to be the sensible way forward, open boarders is not the way forward for me. -
Boris could take a dump on half of the posters in here and they would find a reason why its good for them and the country. The fact Javid resigned really shows how corrupt the system now is. The fact Johnsons cabinet now has 68% privately educated people in it. So much for getting rid of the elite.
But yeah the likes of Trevor and chums will tell us its all brilliant and he can do no wrong. -
The thing is im not an advocate of labour. And the point is that people wanted brexit and the tories to change the whole political system and blah blah blah yet he has just made it less representative of the population. Even this week the tories have said no to bradford being on the NP rail high speed network. Complete conmen.
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