Next Leader of the Labour Party

They try and make something out of Cummings for controlling Boris but we all know Corbyn has never made a decision for himself in his life.....
Also, re deputy leadership contest, if Burgon wins he will leave a nasty smell wherever he goes....

 

Rayner will probably win the deputy contest, as she has the brown shirts behind too.

Wrong Daily and Rayner, Wrong Daily and Burgon. It doesn't really matter. It's the wilderness for another 10 year minimum. Infact it could even lead to the Labour party break up, as the left wing loon will really have taken over.

 

I don't think Long-Bailey will win. I think it will be either Starmer or Nandy.
I know a lot of Labour members and almost all are planning on voting for one or the other, with both as first and second preferences.
I expect to see Long-Bailey make it to the final two but lose to either Starmer or Nandy on second preferences. Either of those can unite the party but RLB would just deepen the divisions.

It's not just about political preference - although I think RLB is seen by many members as too close to Corbyn to appeal to the wider electorate. I think most of the membership recognise that the LP needs a good communicator as leader; one who can effectively challenge Johnson's bunch of toffs, yes men and unelected dictators and hold them to account. Both Starmer and Nandy can do that; RLB can't. Johnson will certainly not get the free ride he got from Corbyn with either of those across the dispatch box from him.

I also think that either of those would conduct a much-needed clean out of Labour HQ and marginalise the Trots and Tankies like Milne and Lansman.

One thing is certain - if RLB becomes leader then I'll resign my membership and I predict that many others will do the same.

 

I know that Momentum is powerful but it's a long way from being the majority of LP members. And I also know that some Momentum members also want Starmer or Nandy as leader.
My problem with the last part of your post is that it's a leap in the dark. No one can be sure that a disintegration of the LP would necessarily lead to an effective realignment of the centre left. To be effective it would have to involve the Lib Dems and there's a lot of enmity and distrust that could scupper an effective realignment.
Also, I think the country needs more than just a return to Blairism, which is why I'm backing Starmer. He's the sensible centre left option who can unite the party, kick out the Trots and appealingly present some of the more radical measures that this country needs to recover from a decade (and counting) of disastrous Tory austerity, without all the baggage, image problems and incompetence of the Corbyn era.

 

I do not see anyone or party to challenge the dream ticket of Trump and Boris for years to come

 

The nightmare ticket for many.
I think Trump will get re-elected, astonishingly. He has totally trashed all semblence of political decency and checks & balances within the US system.
I think Johnson is a chancer. He's managed to climb the greasy pole by a combination of naked lying, switching sides at opportune moments, good luck at being in the right place at the right time to exploit Brexit, and useless opposition within his own party and Labour.
But Javid's resignation tells me there is still a shred of decency in our politics (unlike the US). I may be wrong but I think Johnson and the despicable worm Cummings may overreach themselves at some point. Johnson can be reckless and careless and it may bite him on the bum somewhere down the road.

 

Not a chance

Boris could take a dump on half of the posters in here and they would find a reason why its good for them and the country. The fact Javid resigned really shows how corrupt the system now is. The fact Johnsons cabinet now has 68% privately educated people in it. So much for getting rid of the elite.

But yeah the likes of Trevor and chums will tell us its all brilliant and he can do no wrong.

 

The social care system will collapse without 'unskilled' overseas workers on about half the proposed income threshold. Most people don't think about this. But how many British people want to earn £12 an hour to wipe the arses of old people with dementia in care homes, or shower them down when they've been sat at home in their own excrement for several hours between home care visits? Very few. Both my parents, my aunt and my mother in law were looked after in their last years by precisely the kind of people that this government wants to stop coming here. It's a massive disaster waiting to happen. And the people who voted for Brexit will be the first to complain when they can't get decent care for themselves or their loved ones in old age.
I simply don't understand this English obsession with immigrants. Brexit will limit the number of Poles and Bulgarians but is irrelevant for non-EU immigrants - we were always free to control the flow of those anyway, if we'd chosen to do so. We didn't do so because we need these people to do the jobs that we don't want to do - whether that's wiping bums or picking fruit and veg. We are going to condemn our economy to years of decline outside the EU to satisfy this irrational desire to keep the population of this country looking the same as us, at whatever cost.

 

Thanks for biting and apologies i was trying to bait people but not you. Sorry about that.

The thing is im not an advocate of labour. And the point is that people wanted brexit and the tories to change the whole political system and blah blah blah yet he has just made it less representative of the population. Even this week the tories have said no to bradford being on the NP rail high speed network. Complete conmen.

 

Maybe he said no as none of Bradford’s MPs are Tory?

 

They are on road to oblivion, once the crazy trans issues to which the potential leaders are witlessly signing up for become news. Traditional Labour supporters will know the game is up, for good. Why can't they just focus on being in charge of Islington?

 

Don’t think Keir has signed up to it

 

Its a shame because if they could connect the interchange line with the forster sq line it would open up a new route to scotland from london. Great connectivity plus the line could move on to manchester a different route.

 

Bradford has finished its useful life, no point wasting money on the sinking ship.