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  1. Offcomedun

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    Your analysis is spot on. It's sickening to see people who, quite reasonably criticise Israel's illegal land grabs and apartheid approach to Palestinians labelled as anti-Semitic.

    Corbyn isn't anti-Semitic and he is correct that the impression given by the press that the LP is riddled with large numbers of antisemites is a politically motivated smear. However, there is a small, hardcore, vocal anti-Semitic minority on the furthest left end of the party who have made life miserable for some Jewish members. Corbyn dithered about dealing with that minority, probably because they were his supporters, and stood back while his senior appointees meddled and fudged investigations into legitimate complaints.
    It was perfectly obvious to anyone with half a brain that the LP needed to respond to the recent damning report by saying 'mea culpa' and making a clean break from that period. By quibbling and seeking to minimise his previous (in)actions Jeremy Corbyn has compromised the necessary clean break message and put his own interests ahead of those of the party.
     
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  2. Tolly856

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    Good grief. That’s a terrible appointment.

    Labour are shooting themselves in the foot again.
     
  3. SimonW

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    I'm not a fan of Corbyn but the anti-Semitism charges against him are ridiculous. For some reason, there seems to be certain Jews in the UK population who want to protect Israel's zionist agenda (Rachel Riley for example) so turn any criticism of Israel's politics into claims of antisemitism which is ridiculous. There is a massive difference with having issues with a political ideology and having issues with all people of a religion . The religion shouldn't be able to be used as a shield against controversial politics, we should be allowed to be critical of any countries politics. After all, while all zionists maybe jews not all jews are zionists, it would be like claiming being Anti-Trump makes you anti-christian.

    The crazy thing is the person behind Zionism didn't even want the state of Isreal to be where it is now, he realised that Jews have never been the dominate people in that region (even in the various holy books they are always portrayed as a minority group who are persecuted and are largely nomadic because of that) and as all 3 of the major religions all hold it as sacred land it would be massively problematic, he favoured Argentina, where there was/, is lots of land that is basically uninhabited and would hence cause conflict. As it was we let Jewish Terrorist force us to gift them what is modern Isreal and then they proceeded to be bullies, annexing land as they see fit and acting like they are superior to the rest of the Middle-east which is a big reason they are pretty much treated as part of Europe in a number of walks of life. The majority of the Israeli population (and actually most jews) have no more Middle-eastern heritage than anyone else which makes their claims to the land even more suspect, Judaism didn't really take off until it reached Europe and as such most modern Jews are about as European in heritage as they come. That's why they relate more to Europeans and why they gravitate to being part of Europe and not part of the middle east because they, in general, they share more culture with Europeans than the middle-east. Imagine how much better this would could be if extremists hadn't hijacked the Zionist movement and they had got their land elsewhere where there was less chance of conflict rather than getting it where they did where they just act as a schoolyard bully
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    As a party Labour are Dave, they're a busted flush. If they don't know what they stand for how the hell does their potential electorate? I said before, and was questioned, that Labour jointly responsible for any mees their supporters percieve us to be in. And I was right. They and they alone have allowed the Tories free reign to do as they wish because their constant infighting and backbiting has led the British public to have no faith in them being in power. And let's face it, if you look at that opposition bench in the house you'd be mad to vote for them, it's worse than City's bench pre January.
     
  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    McDonnell is as filthy and obnoxious as Corbyn and his ilk...
     
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    Really? A Goverment with no opposition, wholly unaccountable for their actions? Sounds dangerous to me.
     
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    And that is the problem when you have a weak opposition, no one is calling the government out with a United voice. Even if you support the governing party you should still want an opposition that is capable of doing their job rather than arguing between themself
     
  8. Get Rid Of It

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    It is about time the Labour Party had a female leader.

    So it will be a comfortable win for Sir Keir Starmer then.
     
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  9. Edin Nowhere

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    Wrong Daily has the brown shirt behind her. Anyone who speak ill of Corbyn and Corbyn without a beard will be vilified on social media and hounded round the country by this lot.

    Anyone notice how there are no kids sleeping on hospital floors now we are not in the run up to an election?
     
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  10. Bronco

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    Go on I'll bite, unfortunatly getting rid of the elite will never happen as you know, you have to smile at the 68% privately educated members of Boris's cabinet.
    Just Google present and past Labour MPs who have attended private schools or have put their children through private education starting with the present leader, Diane Abbott, Emiley Thornberry, James Schneider, Seumas Milne, Shami Chakrabarti, Valerie Vaz , Keir Starmer Reigate Grammar which at the time was voluntary aided.
    Labour were in power for 13 years with a bigger majority than Boris and could have done so much more for the ordinary Joe, so maybe on reflection the privately educated debate is really a nonsense.
     
  11. JonButterfield

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    I don't agree at all, I think he's good at holding the Prime Minister to account in the House of Commons, asks poignant questions, and while his brand of politics (as well as his own personal brand, for that matter) took a hammering in the General Election, Corbyn's policies are generally well-meaning if excessively left-leaning for the average Joe.

    But really, Corbyn's image is in the toilet due to an ongoing, highly effective smear campaign. A lot of people have told me they 'can't stand' Corbyn (or worse), and the reasons are just Daily Mail headlines or some tosh about the IRA.

    Corbyn lost, primarily, due to dithering around Brexit and because his own party was in disarray - but equally, because his campaign against Johnson wasn't anywhere near as fierce as the endless nonsense directed at Corbyn through the tabloids and then through the dimwits on social media that read those tabloids and mindlessly share nonsensical/factually challenged memes.

    Again, I do not believe for one second that even a quarter of the people that 'hate' Corbyn actually have a valid reason for doing so. The fact people spoke through gritted teeth and frothed at the mouth at the mention of the word 'socialism' but don't know what it means tells you all you need to know. A soundbyte electorate ready to dislike something the second they're told to. Meanwhile, here we are today, and Corbyn hasn't said a thing wrong about coronavirus or the response to it, at least to my knowledge, and more and more businesses are desperate for a slice of socialism now that they're no longer wrapped head to toe in their bubble wrap of financial decadence and security.

    Idiots.
     
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  12. Tony Wilkinson

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    Think JB has been got at RT, looks like we could be losing him........
     
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    That gift that keeps on giving? Never stops. Starmer has his work cut out ridding the party of its past. One day they'll work out how this stuff works.
     
  14. Offside

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    Len McCluskey appears to be standing behind Corbyn , Unite ( the union i'm in) are talking about withdrawing funding from Starmer and the Labour party , this could be the start of the break up , Labour need to cut the shackles with Corbyn - his ideals and supporters + of course Momentum to have any chance of forming a government .
     
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    They're really struggling to gain traction with their messaging and they're falling into the path of being Utopian idealists again which is always their downfall.

    Over the last couple of months they've pushed for

    • Longer and higher furlough
    • More business support
    • Increased wages for NHS staff
    • The increase in universal credit to be made permanent
    All of them are fine and noble but they don't resonate with people that aren't already dyed in the wool Labour supporters, especially when they bring nothing to the table which offsets these. It doesn't strike people in the centre as being logical.

    Even to the point where they were pushing back against an increase in corporation tax - a policy that has actually been at the heart of a lot of their policies for years! Until they can actually bring arguments to the table above and beyond "we want more for everybody!!" then they're just going to flounder regardless of what the Tories do.
     
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    And don't forget Starmers rant at PM'Q's re the poor people of Yemen 'cos apparently we have cut their aid from us by half...!!
    So what, it's a shame but we are not responsible for the welfare of the whole planet, hardly anyone in the UK would give this a second thought...
     
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    Did anyone see the Labour MP Nadia Whittomes interview on TV today? Wouldn't condem the violence against the police today, do Labour choose these MPs to make them completely unelectable to the general public?
     
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  18. Bronco

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  19. Bronco

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    Maybe he should have joined the Lib/Dems according to Sir Ed they are on their way back, from where to what I ask, as poor as Labour are they will never be serious contenders for government, what a terrible state of affairs our political parties are all in.
     
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  20. Tony Wilkinson

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    Either way it doesn't matter, none of them will have any influence whatsoever on British politics over the next 20 years...
     
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