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  1. River_City_Bantam

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    They are it, or should I say IT! Ranked by points earned, with all converted to 3 points for a win: (all usual disclaimers apply!)

    33: Trueman/Sellars (10-3-1)
    31: McFarland (10-1-3)
    27: Foster (int.) (8-3-3), Milburn (8-3-3)
    26: O'Rourke (2nd spell) (8-2-4)
    25: Todd (8-1-5), McCall (2nd spell) (6-7-1)
    24: Barker (7-3-4), Mulhall (7-3-4)
    23: Lawrence (7-2-5)
    22: Wheeler (6-4-4), Dolan (6-4-4)
    21: Harris (6-3-5)
    20: McAnearney/Hallet (int.) (5-5-2), Kamara (6-2-6)

    Note that McAnearney & Hallet did it in only 12 matches, as the season ended; Wheeler started the next one.

    At the other end, two managers only won once in their first 14: Veitch (1-3-10) and Steele (1-4-9). Besides Veitch and an interim, two other managers lost 10 of their first 14: Robson (4-0-10) and Hopkin (2-2-10).

    I think we can safely put this one to bed now. Hopefully it will be a while before we again start worrying about how the new manager(s) will do.

    RCB
     
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    #42 River_City_Bantam, Mar 4, 2021
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  2. Captain Grumpy

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    45CB7B82-92AD-44F1-8DBE-29FD26ABBA6D.jpeg Here is the match report of that dreadful Hereford game with David Markham saying that McFarland is expected to be appointed next week
     
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  3. bantamdave41

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    RCB, you simply never fail to provide. Good work
     
    #4 bantamdave41, Feb 22, 2021
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  4. wetherbywhaler

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    Agree there Park. I went to our last home game of the season. Mid week, dust bowl pitch, minute crowd and I think boring 0-0. Remember Mac sat in the stand and shouting that he had his work cut out. He waved and gave a knowing smile of confidence. He wasn't wrong. For me in turn round terms he ranks top but if these lads carry on ......
     
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    Good stats as ever RCB. Good point also about when the new manager starts.
     
    #2 Botswana Bantam, Feb 22, 2021
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  6. hornseabantam

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    You're a heck of an asset RCB! As ever, many thanks for your well-sorted stats.
     
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  7. River_City_Bantam

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    Agreed the team had played terribly, but the members of the team were anything but terrible, and most of them stayed on and became McFarland's promotion winning side the next season. Perhaps the disappointment of just missing out on promotion the season before gave the side a season-long hangover, and neither they nor Mulhall could find a remedy!

    RCB
     
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    I stand corrected, sir. I knew it was Hereford and knew we didn't score. Just shows how interested I was at the time. Friday night, must have had the pub on my mind.
     
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    I think it was around 1,200 ish. So small I bet Captain Grumpy, you and I would have seen each other if we'd only known.
     
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    The original Sunday game was postponed due to torrential rain and rearranged after the official season ended on the following Friday night. Everyone didn’t have to finish the season at the same time in those days
     
    #28 Captain Grumpy, Feb 23, 2021
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  11. Stafford Bantam

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    Well that's saved me a trip into the loft.
     
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  12. River_City_Bantam

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    Holy Statistics, Bigrod! I might have to start a new spreadsheet containing managers' match-by-match results... Now that would be one way to make sure my files get corrected...

    T&S are still behind McFarland, but only just. Beat Walsall and they jump ahead, as McF lost match #13.

    Points:
    28: McFarland (9-1-2) -- corrected record
    27: Trueman & Sellars (8-3-1)
    26: Foster (interim) (8-2-2)
    25: Milburn (8-1-3)
    24: McCall (second spell) (6-6-0)
    23: O'Rourke (second spell) (7-2-3); Barker (7-2-3); Mulhall (7-2-3)
    20: Lawrence (6-2-4)

    There were a few others close enough to 20 points that they might have joined the 20+ points crowd. However you look at it, T&S have done well, and I'm happy they've been made permanent. A few more wins and I too might start thinking that the playoffs are a possibility. Didn't Stuart say we could afford to lose 10 matches? GIven the general nature of the table this year, I think that number will be higher.

    What a season this would/could be!

    RCB
     
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    #35 River_City_Bantam, Feb 24, 2021
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  13. Ulysses S Grant

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    I was thinking that yesterday. There were matches that we clearly lost or drew because of his inability to set a team up rather than the quality of the opposition. I'm thinking Walsall (D), Colchester (D), Carlisle (L), Bolton (L), Barrow (L), Orient (L), Harrogate (L) and worst of all Crawley (D) when it only took control and game management to win.

    Matches where perhaps the 4/2/3/1 that T&S play would have yielded more points. His return of 13 from 16 was appalling, and had he managed to pick up just another 10 points and gain a respectable 23 from 16, we would be top right now.

    Ifs/ Buts & Maybes, but an experienced manager like McCall, with the experience at his disposal (six of which started last night) should have been able to get the 1.44 points per match that the extra 10 would have yielded (not even playff form). Even if he had only managed to win the draws we would have six more points we would be in the playoffs and handily placed for a charge to the top.

    Seems to me McCall had two big issues. First he couldn't (or wouldn't) bend on his stupid formation and second he had no clue about coaching "game management" into his teams.
     
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    Correction looking back it was a freak snow blizzard that weekend April 26 that caused the original Hereford game to be off. Very late on to be getting snow in late April but it caused road closures and big disruption that weekend. It had all gone within a couple of days as temperatures rose back to normal.
     
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    Particularly impressive from McFarland because when he took over we had a terrible team
     
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    I remember the Bradford End singing 'Roy McFarland must be mad'.

    Of course, as has been mentioned, Roy McFarland produced an amazing, and quick, turnaround in fortunes, albeit with a summer to prepare.
     
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    Indeed, the official attendance was just 1249 . I was in the main stand that night and the only consolation was watching Roy McFarland walking past with Bob Martin so it gave me hope he was going to take the job.
     
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  18. River_City_Bantam

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    Now you've all made me think, and re-think! :thumbup: (Thanks especially to @Captain Grumpy@Captain Grumpy and @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler.)

    I've always had those last two matches of the 80/1 season down as McFarland's rather than "interim." I know he was in the building, so to speak, but should those two matches really be assigned to "interim"? I've so far been unable to find a source for exact date of appointment, only May 1981, but shall keep looking. I do know that Bantams Heritage does not have those matches as his. I should probably revise my file.

    If we remove those two matches, a win and a loss, from his record, and just use the first 11 of 81/2, then his start is even better, at 9-1-1, for 28 points. His 12th match then was a loss, but even so, @JonButterfield@JonButterfield, T&S even with a win tonight would still be behind McFarland.

    RCB
     
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    Nice one, RCB! In historical context, shows what an amazing job they've done thus far.
     
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    Weren't we "experimenting" with Sunday games at the time ? I seem to recall Ces Podd didnt play in them because of his religious beliefs.
     
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