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New Immigration Rules

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by trevor, Feb 19, 2020.

  1. trevor

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    New Immigration rules proposed, Although some Labour usual suspects complaining about it they seem to forget this is the same rules Labour proposed in 2008 only this one applies fairly to all countries where the Labour one was for non EU only
     
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    Another thread to go on the ignore list.
     
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    Seems strange to say it will stop low skilled workers but then fruit pickers get an allocation?
     
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    Think the idea is that low skilled for certain sectors only and not a general policy, In days past there was a fruit pickers policy where they could only come to pick and then go home at the end of the season ( Pre EU )
     
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    Another poster that like labour swims against the tide of public opinion....
     
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  6. Storck

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    The question is if we are stopping people coming in for all these types of jobs who is going to do the jobs that will be left empty in places like care homes. More and more people are living in care homes where a lot of staff are immigrants.
     
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    Are workers in care homes largely 'low skilled'? I would imagine they require qualifications in some related field? As such non-UK citizens would most likely qualify if there is deemed to be a need for them.
     
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    They are, because British low skilled workers will not do that work for the money offered. Now they might have to. Something else is going to have to change to "encourage" British workers to take positions that they are currently not. My father died in a care home, those workers deserve £12 minimum an hour, is it a surprise so many horror stories of ill treatment in these homes are aired in the press?
     
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    Yet you were the first to reply!
     
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    Not in my experience (31 years in social work). Most residential care staff are unqualified, on not much more than minimum wage. There are NVQ courses and such like available, which local authorities used to send their unqualified staff on. But most residential homes are outsourced to private companies these days, who won't put care quality ahead of profit margins.
    Very few British workers will wipe old people's arses or deal with truculent teenagers for pittance wages. So the care sector is massively reliant on foreign workers, especially from Africa - many of whom have very poor English skills.
    Unless the government is prepared to relax its rules there is going to be an almighty crisis in the personal care sector. And, no doubt, they'll expect the massively underfunded public sector to step in and bale out the private profiteers yet again, once the care homes start closing for lack of staff and the Winterbourne View type cruelty scandals recur. I wonder how many 'keep out the foreigners' types will be happy when their nearest and dearest are sitting in their own excrement for hours on end or unable to get home care services?
     
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    It will be OK according to the Govt even if most workers in the care sector (and others such as the hospitality sector) who are recruited from around the world won't in future meet the £25,600 pay threshold necessary to obtain a work visa. I heard a Govt minister speaking earlier - it may have been the Home Secretary - and she referred to '8 million economically inactive' UK citizens who will step into the breach created by the tighter immigration rules. That should solve the issue. However, when advised that this category of 'economically inactive' UK citizens comprises students, family carers, retirees who aren't yet receiving a state pension and people who are unable to work because of their own long term illnesses, she swerved the question and continued to refer to the '8 million economically inactive' as if the point hadn't even been mentioned.

    Some sectors of our economy are going to really struggle to recruit staff once the new immigration rules are implemented. This is only the beginning of the debate. I'm waiting for the next phase when recipients of the state pension will be asked to fill these vacancies! ;)
     
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    Going to be interesting to see how this one ends up playing out.
     
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    Our resigning of Kai Brunker is in trouble now...
     
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    Time to train up some of the lazy workshy benefits cheats, believe me there's thousands of them. Give them some basic training and wage just above minimum wage and get the workshy scum working for their benefits.
     
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    No work no benefits, you hear stories that within families not working has been their choice for two generations, how can anyone allow people to have a choice of working or not.
     
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    RT 4 PM
     
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    I'm not one of these people who deride migrants coming to make a better life for themselves, I'd much rather have them than some of the indigenous workshy bastards I have the displeasure of meeting via my work. I'd include my in laws in that, the lazy benefit system fraudsters. Ashamed of my own sometimes.
     
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    So you've experienced it first hand, there was one at our club who was the same lived on Cantabury Estate didn't work but knew how to get every benefit going forward and used to take the piss about it, DJ on a weekend charging £180 per night for 5/6 hours work.
     
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    Yeah hundreds of times. Yet the easy option is to bash the 'immigrant'. My in laws are a right case in point, both owe tens of thousands yet the authorities have struggled to get any of it back. Money that could have gone to recipients badly in need of it. To clarify, I'm not against benefits. My brother receives them after he went blind a couple of years ago. I'm against how they are implemented. I guess I've taken the thread off topic....
     

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