New Immigration Rules

he had more skill than some of the locally sourced

 

would you want your parents being looked after by someone who was forced to work there?

 

I believe the government said anyone already here would be allowed to stay.
I would have thought anyone who emigrated to the UK and did a so called low paid job, their employers would be paying them the National Minimum Wage and then they would claim any benefits they are entitled to.
When you think about the jobs they claim British people will not do, we the tax payer actually subsidise the fruit/vegetable/hospitality jobs that they take up for the reasons I've posted above.
I believe under the present conditions as an example someone using free movement and comes from an EU country can work here and have children back in his home country and is entitled to every payment the same as someone living in the UK with their family.

 

It's an absolute scandal.
All of the social care sector is massively underpaid. After four years at uni, 32 years of local authority social work and specialist post qualification Mental Health Act approval training - so I could do MHA sectioning assessments - I was earning £34k pa. Working alongside doctors earning three or four times as much.
But that was a king's ransom compared to residential and home care workers. All hands on care work is bloody hard graft. Imagine having to physically restrain and strip a confused, resistant 95 year old, force them into the bathroom and shower the shit off them - for not much more than minimum wage.
Our society simply does not value traditional caring (largely women's) work enough to pay decent wages or insist on proper training. My mother in law was 'cared' for in a Catholic care home run by nuns; most of the hands on care was done by underpaid African women who spoke English, but in accents so strong that I could barely understand them. They clearly had no training in how to work with people with dementia and I think m-i- l was terrified of them. The home had no idea about doing life story work or anything else to get to know and understand the people they were looking after. I don't think they knew any more about her background, interests or what made her tick on the day she died than they did when she was admitted three years earlier. Not all homes are like this but many are.
Priti Patel is in Cloud Cuckoo Land if she thinks that she can just draft in the 'economically inactive' to shore up the care sector. It will collapse big time without overseas 'unskilled' labour.

 

This sums it up beautifully:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/20/social-care-uk-crumbling-boris-johnson-immigration-plans?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

As opposed to all those 'fair and balanced' journalists writing right wing propaganda in the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph etc, you mean? All journalists have an angle; you choose to believe the right wing ones and I tend to the left, but that doesn't mean that everything written from the opposite viewpoint can be dismissed as false.

Regardless of her political standpoint (which is often much nearer LibDem than Labour) her description of the parlous state of social care is completely accurate. I worked in the sector for 32 years. Everything she describes I've seen many times with my own eyes. Privatisation of care services has been a total, unmitigated disaster. Wages, working conditions, care standards and capacity have all declined massively since the 1980s. When local authorities ran most care homes and home care services the staff training, care quality, work conditions and wages were much higher. Privatisation has been a race to the bottom. The sector is in meltdown and, given the ageing population, it's a ticking time bomb social crisis.

I challenge you to find anything in Toynbee's article that is factually incorrect.

 

How dare you question The Guardian................

 

It's sod all to do with the Guardian.

The care sector is in crisis, wherever you want to read about it. There isn't any serious dispute about that. And the new immigration rules, if implemented as announced, will make a terrible situation even worse. You can choose not to believe that if you want, but it's the reality.

 

George Eustice MP, was on Question Time saying if the salary cap is too high for the likes of foreign nurses etc, it will be taken into consideration and lowered in those cases.

Most care homes are now privately owned very few council owned as there were years ago, as we found out when trying to get mum into one where they cared for dementia patients, she was in Ashcroft (no profit making I believe) for the last 6+ years of her life where I saw very few foreign workers most were women and a few men from Bradford some young Asian girls and young Asian men.
We all accept the care sector is struggling maybe the government need to get more involved and make sure these privately owned/run care homes pay the going rate as a special case, I accept that is more of a vocation rather than a job for many as is nursing but getting these people a better wage would surely help.

 

Both my parents were in care for their last years of their lives and we couldn't have hoped for any better from those that were charged with their care, some folk just can't help from scaremongering and they know who they are...

 

How long ago was that?
Was it purely council funded or did they have money to pay for it themselves?
Of course there are decent care/nursing homes around. But the more money you can afford to pay per week the better chance you have of getting one with decent training, staffing levels and care standards. But even that isn't guaranteed - my mother in law was privately funded and her care was pretty poor in my opinion.
For many ordinary people who can't afford to pay £800/£1000 pw for their care, they are reliant on the basic minimumum paid by cash strapped councils to private care homes, which buys minimum care from untrained staff on poverty wages.
This is the reality of the care sector today. I worked in social care for 32 years and saw the standards decline year on year. You can choose to kid yourself that I'm scaremongering if you like but, sadly, I'm not.

 

More 'Guardian scaremongering'. Not.

Social care crisis risks ‘two-tier’ blow to the poor, ministers warned

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/23/social-care-crisis-blow-to-poor?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

The immigration cap on “unskilled” is the governments way to keep hold of the labour switching voters they won at this election.

will all come crashing down in 4-6 years when it takes full effect and we will have to rethink it

 

Maybe if the opposition parties had supported Theresa May's watered down brexit the immigration cap would not have been used, plus it would have save Labour the embarrassment of their die in the wool Labour voters switching votes, underestimate the British electorate at your peril.
Listening to two of the new candidates for leader it sounds to me they have forgotten already about the arse kicking they got.

 

Youre pissing in the wind mate just forget it and look after yourself and your own.