McCall IN/OUT (with new Poll)

One answer maybe for McCall to bring in an old head and experienced football brain as a number 2 letting his present assistant concentrate on training, It is obvious Stuart needs someone with good football credentials to bounce ideas off and give him support and advice when needed, He may like his present assistant but if he thinks and agrees all the time with Stuart it does not help

 

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Good post

 

One of the problems I have with McCall, and some see it has a positive, he cares too much about the club, like a fan does. He hurts like a fan when we lose and doesn't react to criticism well. He has shown in previous spells as manager that he is incapable of turning things around when on a losing run too.

It probably would never happen, but I would prefer a DOF type role for McCall and looking elsewhere for a manager/coaching team

 

Believe me. I know about the commercial side too and I aren't a fan of Rhodes on that front but it's separate

Whether it's the model for more other lower league clubs I'm not sure. Personally I prefer the DoF route but both can clearly work and you and I can pick examples of each I'm sure.

The issue is that neither seem to work for Stuart - have somebody else involved and he's suffering interference - have nobody involved and he's isolated. Goldilocks is the perfect analogy.

It's a common theme whenever he's manager here - nothing is ever just in the tiny sweet spot where it's perfect for him but he needs to MAKE stuff work. No more excuses.

 

Separate but linked. The more successful you are commercially, the more you empower your ability to improve on the football side. I take your point - the point I was hinting at, is that there doesn't appear to be any element of the club that's in genuinely good health. Or run capably. We look systematically inept.

I agree on the DoF side. I think its a model that more and more clubs are embracing, and if its done well then it lends itself to great stability and consistency. McCall should be judged fairly - but we have to stop the merrygoround of managers. Its not as if we have a ruthlessly ambitious owner, giving managers everything the manager wants and then giving the chop when high standards aren't met. Our constant cycling of managers reflects how broken we are. I'll criticize McCall where I think he deserves it - and it'll start if he doesn't bring in the 3, 4 or 5 players we need by the end of the month. But at the very least, we have a few young lads that might have potential. We need to allow for some stability, to see whether they can be developed. Unless we find ourselves in danger of relegation McCall should stay. Our problems go deeper/higher. I'm much more interested in whether Rupp will clear off and sell up at a reasonable price - and I KNOW we've had interest from people I'd much rather have seen/see here.

 

I have listened to that interview. Fair play to Stuart I liked is tone. I think our managers job is a very tough position. The interviewer was very good too.

 

What has he ever done to suggest he would be a suitable DOF? That's a whole different skillset to coaching, I've seen nothing in his spells as a manager to suggest that he is able to develop and deliver any kind of long term strategy or a coherent approach to building a team/squad.

It's clear he wants to be in a tracksuit, having a laugh with the lads on the training pitch then in the pub afterwards, unfortunately for him the game has moved on from that. It was cringeworthy listening to his "bants" with Callum Cooke(?) on that Radio Leeds youtube video a few weeks back, you could see the lad felt uncomfortable himself.

 

Worryingly you have to look at Rhodes in sole charge The amount of relegations we have suffered. We only seem to go downwards with him there. He keeps the numbers clean and in profit but at what expense on the pitch and dugout?
Then we inevitably lose more money as we get relegated anyway. He can’t ever see the speculate to accumulate motto and always plays it safe

 

Just like the pre-season piss-up the last time he was here. That was a disaster and I said so at the time. A manager should know instinctively that such things are wrong but Stuart doesn't. In fact, he doesn't have any of the characteristics of a good manager and should never have gone down that route. He says the wrong things almost every time he opens his mouth, including last night, where there were the signs of the meltdowns we have seen in the past. I expected that to come around November when the grounds had got heavier and our lightweight midfield were struggling. The fact that it has come so soon is very troubling. Stuart has cut a sad and sorry figure this season. Seeing him sitting alone in the stand he just looks like he wishes he was elsewhere.
Every aspect of our club is fragile and it would take very little to destabilise the whole edifice. Worrying times.

 

Rhodes is a major part of the problem, hired Bowyer, hired McCall, and has given mccall naff all to work with resulting in one of the worst squads in 25 years.

He has also said nothing publicly to keep supporters onside in these difficult times or to publicly support the manager and the managers frustrations in the transfer market.

Rhodes out .

 

Once again I'm 95% in agreement with you but this bit makes me cringe so hard I nearly broke my teeth!

I love the idea of stability. But it has to be stability with the right guy. Stability with the wrong guy is just cementing failure.

To this point McCall has shown nothing to say that he's the manager that deserves that time, it's not like he has an unmitigated record of success or even improvement. If anything his managerial tenures generally get worse over time.

We need to see something from him that buys him time. Primarily and obviously that's usually results but if results are garbage then it has to be team building, just something positive, if it's all negative then he will pay the price, just like any other manager.

 

I agree. But the fact is, our current owner/chairman have an awful record when it comes to selection of managers. I think McCall has flaws, but he's not a bad manager. Nor is he a particularly good one. I wouldn't have gone for McCall this time around, and I want to see fundamental change at the club. But it has to start at the top, because I don't see any quality manager coming in under the current owner/regime.

 

This was said last time too

 

And the time before

 

Erm, you have just described Kenny Black.

 

McCall is no spring chicken why does he need an old head working with him? , he is not some rookie who needs nuturing, he would be better as the old head Number two himself for me and let a younger, strong minded and more dynamic guy have a go.

 

I've always thought that as a manager, your number 2 needs to be the things you're not. Have the strength's to compensate for your own weaknesses, and have enough trust in you (and vice versa) that he can hold you to account and challenge your thought process. I've do idea whether Kenny Black does that.

 

I know next to nothing about Kenny Black. I have sometimes wondered if SM is too familiar with the players, if he can give them a boot up the backside if/when it's required and if this is KB's remit in the partnership?

But then I got the impression that Hopkin was the exact opposite to SM and looked like he could explode at any minute. And that didn't produce results either. The sad fact is, I feel, that regardless of who the manager is, if the material and tools required to produce results just aren't available. Then it doesn't matter who the manager is ,to some extent. He may be able to get 5-10% more out of the players if he's good. But if those players are 25% poorer than the opposition. Then he's still fighting a losing battle.

 

I think not, Wherever McCall has been and failed Kenny has been by his side so obvious not a great help, Perhaps someone else may work better