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Jack Tordoff and his legacy

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Steampig, Mar 15, 2023.

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  1. Steampig

    Steampig Youngster

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    Guys.
    I'd appreciate your thoughts.
    This is a genuine question.

    Take Blackburn Rovers. I completely understand why the late Jack Walker, is held in such high esteem by Rovers fans and wider supporters who appreciate what a fan/Chairman did for the club.

    Bradford and at least some of its supporters, hail the late Jack Tordoff in similar way.
    *this is not a character assassination*
    My Q is:
    As a chairman, personally I didn't rate him at all as anything special nor did I feel he did much for the club (after initial £30k? Buying of club and stopping club winding up).
    City had a priceless opportunity to gain promotion to D1, priceless.
    But the board (Jack) declined, refused to fund much needed players that EVERYONE knew we needed (due to injuries and fatigue in squad) to give a fighting chance of acquiring that illusive final point required.
    That was the point we needed a chairman for the club.

    After then selling his now valuable shares, he left.
    He, as part of the sale, gave himself the Honorary life president title*

    *please, if you know otherwise, do correct me. I have discussed this with the club.

    And adhoc, on and off, his company sponsored the club.
    *regardless of the tribute made. Several other companies, especially through tough times have sponsored the club since 1983, inc:
    Grattan, Freeman's, Diamond Seal, Map, Mythbreakers, Great City...

    But sponsorship is not a purely beneficial thing for a club. Yes. Money changes hands, but the clue is in word "sponsorship" you pay to have your company advertised. So, to me at least, that should not be taken into account for any future gesture from club/supporters.

    So can anyone explain to me, why the boardroom was renamed in his honour?

    For me, Big Geoff (for all his failings) did far more for the club, Including erecting a club memorial and insisting on marking the day.
    (Big Geoff, I wish good health)

    Jack was simply, "just another chairman"

    I'd appreciate your thoughts.
     
  2. Idlebantam

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    Why are you on a mission to discredit a former chairman, whose family are still one of our main sponsors.

    Also why bring this up after his death.

    Give it a rest
     
  3. Steampig

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    "Discredit"
    ??

    Are you suggesting I shouldn't ask or even mention our clubs history, in case it offends a source of money?
     
  4. Rogered Tart

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    Honest thoughts. The man and his business served this club well. I don't know the man personally but others I know who have met him paint a picture of a decent man who achieved a lot in the time he was on this earth. As with the victims of the tragedy, I hope he rests in peace.
     
  5. Idlebantam

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    You sprung from nowhere this week and had a pop at him on the fire podcast thread.

    Jack was a gentleman and served our club very well, helping to save us on one occasion.

    Let him RIP
     
  6. Steampig

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    Thanks for taking time.
    I and nobody can argue, that Jack wasn't a great businessman. JCT profits speak for themselves.

    I'm still curious to how/why and by what process, the boardroom was dedicated?

    I don't recall any club discussions with supporters?

    And before anyone shouts me down. Just as supporters have right to laud Jack, I as a supporter have the right to disagree.
    And I'll always give reasons.

    For me, Jack was not a "great chairman".
    Nor have I seen anything he did for the club, that didn't involve JCT600 being promoted.
    (Pls correct me if I'm wrong)
    And for me, that is just a company obtaining a good business promotion opportunity.
     
  7. Idlebantam

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    Jack wasn't a good businessman?. You are either a WUM or you've been sacked by the company.
     
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  8. Kevin1954

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    Axe grinding in full view. What a lot of nonsense.
     
  9. Steampig

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    For your information, as soon as it was announced about the boardroom, I did make contact with the club. I was also respectful and refrained from publicly speaking.
    I remained silent for quite some time, again out of respect.
    And now I feel it's acceptable to discuss.

    So, I presumed the best place would be a forum for supporters.
    Yet you feel it's unacceptable?

    You mentioned "saving on one occasion"
    Yep.
    I also mentioned that.

    If you'd like? I'll gladly discuss what he did for the club, after the initial £30k purchase.
     
  10. Onside

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    That is the deal surely? Why wouldn’t we want to advertise a sponsor who is putting money in? I never had any dealings with him, but other fans have and said he was a good person.
     
  11. Steampig

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    For your information, as soon as it was announced about the boardroom, I did make contact with the club. I was also respectful and refrained from publicly speaking.
    I remained silent for quite some time, again out of respect.
    And now I feel it's acceptable to discuss.

    So, I presumed the best place would be a forum for supporters.
    Yet you feel it's unacceptable?

    You mentioned "saving on one occasion"
    Yep.
    I also mentioned that.

    If you'd like? I'll gladly discuss what he did for the club, after the initial £30k purchase.
    Read again.

    I said YOU CANT ARGUE he wasn't.
    Meaning, I AGREE, HE WAS.
     
  12. Steampig

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    "Axe grinding"

    So by discussing what took place, you feel the information is so bad, its tantamount to "axe grinding".

    Carry on.
     
  13. Steampig

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    Yep.

    So JCT600 were a company that on/off sponsored the club.
    Nothing that 100s of companies do for every club though.
     
  14. Steampig

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    Now I'm second guessing.

    Is the phrase that means you're not arguing he was:

    Can't argue wasn't..
    Can't argue was.

    Either way, I was intending on agreeing that his business accumin was good.
     
  15. Kevin1954

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    No intention son, sounds like he’s living in one’s head totally rent free.
     
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  16. Allotment Bantam

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    I doubt if this topic is of interest on here other to anyone other than the OP.
    If we're giving a prize for most underwhelming chairman in the last 120 years it goes to Edin Rahic.
     
  17. Steampig

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    Rahic was a freeloading chancer.
    And you rightly have strong negative feeling about him.
    Agreed.

    Tordoff however, you have nothing but praise & support to point of defence.
     
  18. Onside

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    Yes but I don’t know why the naming of the boardroom has so upset you. As a long term supporter there are lots of decisions the club make for a variety of reasons that we are not involved in.
     
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  19. SteveC

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    I read it as saying "Jack WAS a good businessman". Double negatives etc lol

    Generally speaking, no owner is in it for purely the love of the club. That is why they are called businessmen. Some just have more of a personal connection with the club, its fans and its history

    I don't know a lot about Jack Tordoff as a person, but i've not heard many bad things said against him. I could never understand why he didn't buy us during the 2 admins, but i'm sure he had his reasons. I heard a rumour it is because he didn't get on with the Rhodes family. Then again I also heard a rumour Ken Morrison never got involved because he didn't get on with Jack Tordoff! Probably not much truth in either - that is why they are called rumours lol
     
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    Have no feelings either way on Jack Tordoff as never met the bloke and also don’t give a feck what any rooms at the clubs are called. Really don’t care.
     
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