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Fake outrage? I'll stay civil here. The two people i mentioned were two of approximately 6 million jews slaughtered by the nazis because of their religious beliefs. I won't go into detail here, needless to say i was humbled when i spoke recently at length to my mother in law about her life and how her father came over here in 1938 and was interned in a camp with just the clothes on his back. Others weren't so lucky.
Now, i have no dog in the fight here, i see problems on both sides that will never be settled due to religious intolerences.
But if you think my views are based on hyperbole and fake outrage then with respect, my days on conversing with you are over. i'll leave it at a point where we agree to disagree. I hope you respect this request.

 

That's the top and bottom of this, religion the scourge of civilisation ...

 

It divided us like nothing else Tone. And is systematically designed to do so.l

 

And the crime is that the poor sods can't escape from it, trapped at birth ...

 

People no longer believe in the Greek or Norse Gods which gives me hope for the future. A day when people aren't out raping and murdering in the name of fictitious entities is a day I greatly look forward to.

 

I trust you'll not be holding your breath though whilst waiting?

 

they only moved from
One god to another

 

Have the Israeli hostages all been handed over yet?' It's just that you don't really read much about them in between the media fuelled outrage at Isreal.

Safe to say though that if any of them were my family or even worse, those that were slaughtered, I'd be extremely torn about stopping the military action.

 

no. Hamas have said they can not even work out which of them are alive still until there is a ceasefire

 

Strange that as there was a ceasefire for a limited period while Israel waited for Hamas to return the hostages.

I'm assuming they knew exactly how many they'd murdered at that point?

 

I don't think it will stop, can Israel allow Hamas to have anything to do with Palestine going forward,t he more you think about the situation Hamas couldn't have picked a more right wing Prime Minister, you have to wonder if they have an ulterior motive when you hear they use their own citizens as human shields.
Let's hope this safe artificial island the Israelis are building to get supplies into Palestine works because they ain't going to stop no matter how much pressure the Americans try to put on them, https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2024/01/22/israeli-palestinian-ministers-to-attend-meeting-where-eu-will-push-for-peace/
"Israeli foreign minister Israel Katz raised eyebrows by showing European Union counterparts a video promoting building an artificial island for Gaza at talks about how to bring peace to the region on Monday. The video caused discomfort among some EU representatives present at the Brussels talks, according to officials, who had hoped to make headway towards reaching an end to the conflict and easing suffering in Gaza as fears of starvation grow"






You have to wonder are any of the hostages they took still alive.

 

Thought the previous short ceasefire was to swap a certain number of Israel hostages for a certain number of Palestinians held by Israel whilst negotiations went on for more. The negotiations broke down, the Israeli bombardment started again, Hamas now claim they can not check in with all their 'teams' due to break down in communication networks until bombardments stop

 

Sorry Dave, but that’s bollocks. What Simon has been saying is historically accurate.
It’s possible to hate what Hamas did but still be critical of the massacres going on in Gaza. Just like it’s possible to be critical of Israel’s hideous government and its persecution of West Bannk Palestinians without being antisemitic.
It’s sickening the way that anyone who dares to criticise Israel’s political actions gets labelled an antisemite (even if they’re actually Jewish - as are several of my friends who are deeply critical of Israel).

 

I don't think I've said anywhere Israel are the innocent party yes plenty has gone on both sides over the years, but as I posted above did Hamas attack when they did because of who was in power knowing he would not be happy with just the hostages handing back.
All the buster from the he UK, EU, America and others will bring this to an end, he said what he would do and will finish what Hamas started in this particular case, unfortunately to do this the horrendous consequences we are seeing are a part of war.
What they are doing with regards the artificial safe island suggests it won't stop Israel destroying Hamas.
Your correct with regards some Isrealis not being happy with the situation prior to the war some were protesting about some of Netanyahus policies and I believe a big rally was being organised for a mass protest.
Stop talking down to people Steve your not the only one who as friends or associates that are Jewish, you do have to wonder why the examples many have put forward with regards Muslims being slaughtered in the past many times by fellow Muslims not the same world wide reaction as this, you have to ask why only when it's the Jews ?.

 

Your antisemitic undertones are blatantly obvious. Just own it.

 

That's just life these days though isn't it? People handing out labels to anyone who dares challenge them as a tactic to silence them.

Racist, sexist, islamaphobic, transphobic, antisemite and many more are now just words that have lost all meaning and their only use is to try and shut down discussion around the given topics.

What should be happening is people fighting back against the current 'cancel culture' and, backed by a strong government (I won't hold my breath!) feel like constructive discussions around any given issue can take place without worrying what the perma offended in society think.

It'll never happen, politics is now just school ground bullying and willy waving so society will go on divided and unwilling to openly and honestly discuss the important topics simply in the fear of picking up one or more of the tags above.

Apologies to the OP for going slightly off topic but it is all linked in a vague way.