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Is Abbot really culpable?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by city exile, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. city exile

    city exile Fringe Player

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    I ask the question because I am uneasy when I see disparaging comments about his ability to recommend players. I'm uneasy because we have no idea what criteria he is constrained to work to. Has he been told (for example) that we only want young players with potential who are cheap? If so then his job is ONLY to find those players. If that is the case then he is just doing his job. It might be argued that if he doesn't think that is right then he should walk, but we don't know what his contract says. If he walks then would he be in hock for a load of cash to Rahic in compensation? Or like Stuart, stick it out and hope that Rahic sacks him, in which case Rahic has to pay him. No doubt he has a no disclosure clause in his contract so he can't defend himself. He's not in the same position as Rahic who can come out and say what he likes (and does!) Is Abbot really incompetent or is he misjudged?
     
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  2. Tolly856

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    Yeah mate, all young and cheap.
     
  3. How

    How Knows Football
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    He’s the only constant left along with Edin.

    He’s clueless and out of his depth. What skills and qualifications has he got to continue to be a prominent part of this club?
     
  4. Rcbantam

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    I think he's been forced to bring in Shite cheaper players because of the budget. And the rumour of a mad hat owner will be putting people off.

    The other owner the hidden man must remove Edin of power and put his own man in...
     
  5. Idlebantam

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    Of course he is. He is responsible for recruiting mainly shite in the last 2 years.

    It's not all down to him of course, but we needed a clean sweep when they sacked Collins, and it doesn't make sense that Abbo and Drury are still here.
     
  6. Lard Arse

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    In answer to the question.
    Of course he bloody is.
    Since Rahic came in he has been the right hand man to the De Facto Director of Football.
    1/3rd of the much maligned Transfer Commitee and now part of the coaching structure (Although with Hopkin in charge, I reckon he just put's the cones out now).
    If that doesn't make him culpable, I don't know what wouldn't.
    Quite sure he's a thoroughly nice decent chap and all that, but as for picking footballers for our club.
    He leaves a lot to be desired
     
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  7. bantam2708

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    I used to stick up for him as Rahic sets the budgets and had the final say on players. But I have to agree How, there's no way he can get away with 3 shocking windows on the bounce.
     
  8. Aaron Baker

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    That's what I don't get when people talk about the parameters he's working under.

    We've signed pretty much every type of player since he's been here. The only common denomination between then all seems to be that they're almost all worse than the player they replaced and are generally mentally weak. I can't believe they were the criteria Rahic was looking for.
     
  9. bantam2708

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    Rahic doesn't know what type of player he wants. His 'criteria' probably changes on a daily basis.
     
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  10. Petrov

    Petrov Squad Player

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    Josh Wright and Jim O'Brien. Both freebies. Both not young. One is twice the player the other is but which one did Abbott target?
     
  11. Aaron Baker

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    Ah. So we've now gone from Abbott can only sign players under the parameters he's set to now having no firm parameters at all.
     
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  12. bantam2708

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    I didn't say he had no parameters. I just said those parameters are constantly changing because edin doesn't know what he's doing nor what he wants.
     
  13. Rogered Tart

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    J OB was available all that time in the summer yet it took Hopkin to identify him, no way was that an Abbott signing.
     
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  14. Bantam@{Lancs}

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    GA deemed Nahki Wells not good enough and released him from Carlisle....enough said.
     
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  15. Fuzzy

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    I don't think that the issue is a lack of quality, it's a total and utter lack of strength in depth.

    Look at our squad at the end of the transfer window and we had 11 experienced outfield players with 50+ games under their belt. To that total you can possibly add Miller & Jones in to the equation seeing as they're approaching 50 games and we've subsequently added J O'Brien and Ball which brings the total up to 15 experienced players.

    Of those 15 players, 9 have been out injured/suspended for some or all of the season and there's no cover. Operating with such a small core of a squad might just be possible if you've got a load of versatile players but with the exception of O'Connor and maybe Payne we don't have anyone else who would appear to be comfortable outside of their usual position which means that we're stuck with inexperienced or out of form players to cover the gaps from injuries/suspensions.
     
  16. How

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    Think that’s his point
     
  17. Rogered Tart

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    I know i was agreeing with him.
     
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  18. Petrov

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    That was my point!
     
  19. Rogered Tart

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    See my post above yours.
     
  20. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    It’s not personal, he’s clearly a city man. But he was seen as not good enough for a declining Carlisle.....
     
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