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I-Follow & VPN Blocked

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Apr 2, 2022.

  1. Stafford Bantam

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    I've looked through the the Digital Economy Act 2017 and I can't really see anything in there that makes watching a properly paid for, geo-blocked service, using a VPN, illegal.

    There are bits in the Act that, whilst they may well cover use of VPN to avoid geo-blocking, require such use to be for gain, or to cause a loss to the organisation whose rights may have been infringed.
     
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  2. Tennesseebantam

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    Thanks @Dennis@Dennis, that’s why I never made a lawyer. Amazed it could be construed as illegal.
    Just read @StaffordBantam@StaffordBantam ’s reply. Prefer that interpretation.
     
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    Again, you're not understanding how a firestick works. It's just a media device, the same as a pc, laptop, smart tv, phone, tablet etc etc

    I can stream EXACTLY the same paid for service as you on it so like it or not, you and Bigrod are wrong.

    Now if you specifically mentioned iptv services then perhaps you're on firmer ground (although not entirely) but to just say "streaming on firesticks is illegal" is daft as that's the very reason they were built and are one of Amazons best sellers all over the world.
     
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  4. Storck

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    i think you need to clarify fire stick user.

    you can watch iFollow via the exact same way you are doing on a fire stick.

    On the flip side you can watch a ‘dodgy’ feed on your phone, tablet, computer or android box
     
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  5. Storck

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    does it say anything about breaching copyright?
     
  6. Stafford Bantam

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    Yes, there is a specific section that amends part of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

    Again the key words are "gain" and "loss".
     
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    wouldn’t the loss be between the cost of a ticket into the ground and what has been paid as the only way to watch the match in this country, according to the copyright, would be in person.
     
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    And therein lies the irony. I've said it many times on here. No way can I afford the time to travel to Bristol, but would happily pay up to the cost of a match ticket to watch on ifollow. I expect Bigrod and others are in exactly the same boat. So, I don't know who gets what split, but someone is receiving a lot of additional revenue ( at 11 Euros a go) from people watching from their holiday homes.
     
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    As two of my posts above make clear, I was talking about 'dodgy firestick' use, not any firestick use.
     
  10. Kevin1954

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    Cheers Staff.
     
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    Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree.

    Sounds like a terrible case of double standards and "do as I say, not as I do" from some.
     
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    Your VPN / dodgy firestick comparison is as bad as your Hanson / Guthrie one :joy:
     
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  13. Bigrod

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    I think the whole concept of saying someone cannot use a VPN is very problematic.

    I-Follow sell their product. The VPN user purchases this, pays the cash. I-Follow take the money. It isn't used in a public place, but is for private use. The content isn’t stored or reused.

    Looking at the term ‘gain’ how could a private individual benefit in anything other than on a psychological and intangible basis. Howe could you quantify or measure the ‘gain’, especially since a fee had been paid.

    ‘Loss’, again how has I-Follow made any ‘loss’? How could this be measured or a monetary value put on the process.

    As the content is not ‘used’ in the UK, then I am not sure as to the jurisdictional reach of UK law.

    I haven’t seen any reported cases (it doesn’t mean that they have not occurred). Case Law usually interprets Statute. What tariffs would the court impose in sentencing?

    The cost in taking a private individual to court could well be prohibitive. Would I-Follow want the potential negative publicity?
     
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    Downloading copyrighted material whether via a vpn or not is now a criminal offence rather than a civil offence as it was previously. Well, at least according to a barrister who specialises in copyright infringement. Her view is that the new legislation dealing with this when used in conjunction with the Copyright Acts is less than perfect. The CPS and the NCA are looking to bring a test case through the courts in order to clarify the situation but who knows when that might happen. In the meantime cease and desist letters appear to be as far as enforcement goes.
     
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    Thanks for the input :thumbup:
     
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    What is dodgy about an Amazon Firestick, it’s a perfectly legal device.

    I could watch Japanese football on my iPad, does that make it a dodgy iPad?

    See what I mean?
     
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    But streaming is not downloading. Does that make a difference?
     
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    There's nothing dodgy per se about a firestick. I have one and used it until I got a smart TV with built in apps.
    I thought the point of the 'dodgy firestick' was that it is somehow modified to allow you access to iFollow without paying for it, unlike access via a VPN where you have to pay the fee, which benefits the clubs. Unless I've got that wrong.
     
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    I disagree. I'm paying to access iFollow, That's the difference.
     
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    It’s not possible to modify a firestick as far as I’m aware. I have two…along two smart TV’s , and 8 iOS devices, new and old in the house.

    Upon subscription to ifollow I can watch some City games on them……Non have been tampered with, many of these devices are running through a VPN, which they are doing by default as it’s NORTON SECURITY own service route, as a result one needs to drop this term “ dodgy “ Offy. That is no different to me suggesting you smart TV’s are dodgy because you can access the internet through them. Clearly they aren’t are they?
     
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