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Head Injuries

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by loz, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. loz

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    If a player suffers concussion during a game, he automatically sits out the next game, or is it 2 or 2 weeks? Does this now need taking a step further? Should a player need treatment for a head injury during a game, surely he should sit out for the rest of that game, purely for his own protection of course. It could be a bit tough on a team when nearing the end of a game and all 3 subs have been used but surely no manager would jeopardise the wellbeing of one of his players just to finish the game with a full team.
     
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  2. bantamJS

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    Head injuries dont always mean concussion. If a player has a cut, which some staples or glue and a bandage will sort out, and if the physio has gone through the correct procedure identifying that the player didnt lose consciousness, the player manager and physio all are happy for him to continue, so be it
     
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    Why?

    Isn't the physio there to make that call?
     
  4. Storck

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    According to Simon Parker when Webster was getting abuse from the crowd today after the game had been stopped for his head injury he made a 1-0 signal at the City fans. At the time we were winning, surely a sign of concussion
     
  5. Bruce Bannister

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    Maybe he was referring to the Play off final v Millwall.
     
  6. Storck

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    Probably was.
     
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    Are you referring to the numerous fake head injuries sustained by Carlisle players today?
     
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  8. Dime77

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    The problem we’re now encountering is players are getting wise to the rules. If a counter attack is on, players will stay down & feign a head injury
     
  9. loz

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    Yes. It was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek but possibly being a bit misguided in the way I put it. They were the worst I've seen here since the Swindon side of 7/8 years ago. Funny how these head injuries only occur when the opposition is in a threatening position.
     
  10. Fordy117

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    Can't take a risk. We don't know if fake our not.

    Did we win the game? Let's move on.

    Now why to fans keep running on the pitch? That's something we can control
     
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    It was to Carlisle's advantage to twice go down with a head injury today. I genuinely have no idea if they were faking it or not, so it might just have been one of those days.

    Referees have to go with the rules, which err on the side of caution for good reason. I don't think you can put it on a referee to judge if a head injury is fake or not. Let's hope the majority of players and clubs prefer to avoid gaming the system on this.
     
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  12. loz

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    So my original suggestion that treatment for a head injury requires substitution might not be so daft after all. At least it might stop some of the faking l
     
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    There is a strict FA protocol on concussion, I've just renewed my Emergency Aid!

    Anyone with suspected concussion must be removed from play immediately. There is a Graduated Return To Play protocol but this differs for grassroots and professional clubs. Grassroots clubs - player must rest for 14 days, only after this time and free of symptoms can they resume any type of physical activity and then return to full physical activity over the next 14/21 days. For professional clubs it is different as they have Enhanced Care Facilities so the timeframe is very different and much shorter. They have access to MRI and CT scans so can assess players in more detail to ensure no damage and hence can return to play much quicker.

    But yes some teams do seem to make a meal of it to stop play when outnumbered!!

    One of the funniest things though now is that the players don't seem to know the new rules when ref stops play!! Team in possession when ref blows have to get it back in the same place as when whistle blown...none of this give the ball to opposition to boot it back to goalie and lose position.
     
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    He was winding the kids up in the Kop. They took the piss and he said something along the lines of i dont care and i get paid loads of money while you come here to watch. Was so glad when we scored that third the man is a complete douche. In his defence he did turn to the kop at the final whistle and clap in respect which no other carlisle players did.
     
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    It could work, but then potentially you introduce the risk of a player not seeking treatment to avoid being subbed?
     
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    There’s been a lot worse teams in the last 7-8 years come here than Carlisle!!!!!
     
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    Daftest thing was making the City player involved in the clash who did not need or receive treatment go off the pitch along with their player who had.
     
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    Its a difficult one, the ref has to stop the game and allow the player treatment which is fine if said player is actually injured.
    A head injury is usually when two players clash heads yet it was only Webster who went down, obviously it can be a bad head injury but you see some teams employing it as a way of stopping momentum, a difficult one for sure, but a valid question.
    I noticed Webster was public enemy number one after that incedent.
     
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  19. Storck

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    Think it was because the ref had told both physios to come on
     
  20. Dennis

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    I have a simple solution to the increasing number of head injuries during a game and that's to learn from other sports.

    Rugby Union introduced the concept of players being treated on pitch by medics/physios whilst the game continues several years ago. It could be introduced into football with the ref (or even the 4th official) allowing the medics to enter the field of play in the event of a potential head injury whilst play continues. That would ensure real injuries are dealt with without delay; it wouldn't penalise the attacking team and it would stop what appears to be a growing number of fake injuries designed to disrupt play deliberately. The 'injured' player would still be expected to leave the pitch with the physio and not return until allowed by the ref.
     
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