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Scottish fundraising website for clubs short of fan revenue has been more successful than expected. A few minor English clubs have joined.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-54830945

 

Non-league games selling out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-54704567

 

Highland League to restart with some limited crowds since most teams are in Tier1

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/highland-league/2625763/brora-will-be-ready-for-crowds-by-highland-league-start-date-says-chairman-powrie/

Limited fans return to SL2 side Elgin City after being placed in Tier 1

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/elgin-city/2624848/still-work-to-be-done-for-crowds-to-return-to-borough-briggs-warns-elgin-chairman-tatters/

 

1060 fans to be allowed in for Northern Ireland international

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54828186

 

Legislation that football fans can return if they take vaccine?

Https://strettynews.com/2020/11/10/manchester-united-fans-can-dream-old-trafford-return/

 

Isn't that infringing on an individual's human rights, I'd have thought that would be challenged in the courts.

 

Not a credible source, not of interest.

However to the general argument, we STILL don't need vaccines to enter football grounds.

Just a negative test result, or a combination of face masks, sanitary provision, and temperature checking which is generally good enough for higher risk indoor areas.

All the sensible measures in place, such as closed concourses, staggered leaving times, etc, NHS app checking in and display (to prove you shouldn't be isolating) will do.

This waffle of vaccines is a nonsense.

I've had the virus and recovered, which is not evidence I'll never catch it again, but is more robust than a vaccine.

 

5000 happy clappers in the stadium the players will think their in heaven, not an ounce of negativity in the ground.

 

Is that a professional opinion based on thorough research and trials or is it "waffle" and a "nonsense"?

 

You know me. No, I wouldn't be happy with that.

What is this bollocks! Spent the last 8 months protecting the 70 plus and now because I am young with a 6 pack I am told wait a minute you are last in the queue for a vaccine, so you can't come in.

Joke!

 

There isn't a person on earth who believes a vaccination is as robust as natural immunity.

The purpose of a vaccination isn't to improve on natural immunity, it's to reduce risk, which can be done in a number of ways.

You tell me if it's waffle or nonsense.

 

I'll be packing my bags and going to Scotland if I am not allowed to watch football while the over 70's sit there watching clapping & cheering.

 

I would hope that they are trying for the vaccine to improve on it because as far as I know there is no natural immunity at all from the other members of the coronavirus family.

 

I think you're talking nonsense and hugely over simplifying the effect of vaccines and immunisation.

 

Bronco has just "liked" your post.

That's more reassuring that I'm right than trawling though any amount of relevant books.

 

It's literally as simple as he says it isn't.

 

I find it rather ironic this is one of the posters who wants emoji pops bringing back, then comments with regards me liking your post, wouldn't do for us all to be alike I suppose.

 

So, just to clarify. You're more than happy for people not to bother with the vaccine if they've already had Covid and you'd also be happy to sit alongside these people again in a packed stadium?

Strange choice for someone who presumably is in a higher risk category than most.

 

Why would you need a vaccine if you have acquired natural immunity?

Only two possibilities: we'll need boosters periodically if antibodies decline, or the test was wrong and the person doesn't actually have immunity.

But aside from that, a vaccination is never more effective than natural immunity, it's preferred because it's less risky.

 

For the same reason we have flu jabs being made available every year I suppose.

Mutation is clearly one factor but there are countless others and your claim of "natural immunity" from previously having the virus doesn't mean you won't catch it again, as we already know.