Expectations of McCall this season?

After Saturdays draw (which was a fair reflection of the game) against a team in the bottom half of the division Bowyer would have been ripped apart on here but McCrap gets a pass.

One excuse given to me was that he hadn’t seen the players (ever heard of video?) and needed time with them.

OK I will give him that but we don’t get promoted this year (as we fully expected Bowyer to achieve) then it should be considered a failure (as it would have been under Bowyer)

There are no allowances to be made 3rd time around.

Thanks. Appreciate the support.

However I think we should give him to the end of the season. Ultimately I think we should be measuring him and treating him exactly as we would measure and treat any other manager.

 

I love the way that you are happy to beat Bowyer because he couldn't stop a bad run but will not acknowledge that McCrap was in exactly the same situation when he resigned from us the first time, resigned from Motherwell, was sacked by us and then sacked by Scunthorpe and on each occasion had no idea how to turn it around.

McCrap gets us promoted I renew my ST and will happily come on here and admit I was wrong. McCrap fails to get us up and doesn't fall on his sword, as he should, then I will not renew my ST.

Good enough for you?

 

The McCrap label came about in answer to the posters on earlier forums who used the McGod moniker so I decided to balance it off with McCrap.

I would absolutely step up and argue with anyone who was to try to tell me that as a player he was anything but immense for Bradford City. I would argue that he is the best player to have ever played for the club.

But as a manager I believe that he is at best average and I don't want average for Bradford City

In addition I worry that the appointment is based on sentiment (playing to the crowd) and season ticket sales rather than a long term football view.

 

No I am not suggesting we should have retained Bowyer.

But.....

McCrap is an average manager and (win percentages aside) his record clearly shows this. He has had two previous goes at Bradford City and at the summing up we didn't get promoted and didn't have a cup run in either of the terms. Given that record would we have brought any other manager back? Peter Jackson?

So I worry that the appointment is based on sentiment or a cynical playing to the fan base to push season ticket sales rather than any real long term football plan and I believe the speed of appointment, with no one else being interviewed supports the view.

 

Wont argue with your first couple of points though they are a bit irrelevant.....but

1. "Getting sacked by Scunny is par for the course with their chairman." So we are back in excuse mode. Not his fault Chairman is a bas......"

2. "As for getting on his back after one game is laughable" I wasn't getting on his back. I clearly stated he should be measured at the end of the season. I did say that I believed if he did not gain promotion then this should be seen as a failure as we would see it as a failure with anyone else.

3. "This time he comes with years of experience and no interference from the board." The second part of your argument holds water. The first part does not as this exact argument was used top support his second appointment. Let's assume you are right. So his 9 months (or thereabouts) at Scunthorpe is the experience you speak of? Because that is the sum total of his additional 'experience' since being fired from City.

I'm banging my head against a wall here aren't? For McCrap supporters the outcome doesn't matter as long a they have him.

I hear that L666ds are to reappoint Alan Clarke. There view is that he now has all this additional experience so must be good!

Copied from Wikipedia....has a ring to it doesn't it? Change Barnsley for Bradford.....

Clarke was appointed Barnsley player-manager on 31 May 1978[4] and under him they won promotion to the old third Division in May 1979, Clarke scoring 12 goals himself that season including an hat-trick against Port Vale on Boxing Day. On 29 December 1979 Barnsley lost 7-0 at Reading and Clarke decided to end his playing career. He took his players down Woolley Colliery to show them what they could have been doing for a living.[5][6] Clarke then began to bring in new players such as Trevor Aylott and Derrick Parker and Ian Evans and Barnsley finished mid-table. Leeds United asked Clarke to come back as manager in September 1980. Leeds finished 9th under Clarke at the end of the first season, but the following season, they were beaten 5–1 at Swansea on the opening day, and did not win until October. The club was relegated and Clarke was sacked on 24 June 1982. He then was manager at Scunthorpe United between February 1983 and 24 August 1984, when he and the chairman both resigned. He led Scunthorpe to promotion to the Third Division in May 1983, but a year later they were relegated.

Clarke had another spell at Barnsley between 1 July 1985 and 8 November 1989. Despite having no money to spend, low gates, and being forced to sell players such as David Hirst and John Beresford, Clarke led Barnsley to the fifth round of the FA Cup twice, when they were knocked out by Arsenal in 1987 and Everton in 1989. At the end of 1988–89 season, Barnsley finished just two points off securing a play-off place, losing only twice in the last 17 games. However, in the following season Barnsley played poorly and with the club third from bottom in the Second Division, he was sacked. Clarke was Lincoln City manager for six months but he was sacked on 30 November 1990 to be replaced by Steve Thompson. After a few months scouting for Derby County, Clarke has not been employed in football since.

 

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

Sorry but the most important metric is what you win, cups, promotions, league titles.

Ultimately if the games you win don't have an end result (pun intended) they are meaningless.

A 45% win, 45% lost and 10% draw record would give about 67 points. In the past 20 years there was maybe one season that 67 points would get you into the playoff places. 45% is a great win stat, we will all agree, but that is a single almost meaningless on its own, measurement. It is about the overall record not just a win percentage and crucially it is about winning the single games, the one on ones that deliver the prize.

I opened with and will finish with the obvious..... "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"