Eoin Doyle

Its nailed on that we dont have a recall option.

And whilst moving him on to free up wages for 3 players in the summer made sense, you'd hope and expect that come january, if we're in the mix then Rupp would dig into his pockets and fund what it would take to bring him back. That's the sort of calculated and measured gamble youd expect him to take.

 

I think if he was doing shite at Swindon everyone would be relieved that we'd clearly made the right choice to send him out on loan. Sadly hes been anything but and he seems to be confirming what many of us thought that he would be like and what he would do. Agree he should be brought back without a doubt. Josh Wright is still shat

 

Cooke is also slated as an expensive option that was beyond our means when we signed him on loan.

It could even boil down to a choice of Cooke on a permanent or recalling Doyle.

Or both.

Or neither.

Doyle is an interesting one, however given our better midfielders are largely on loan with the exception of Ismail, Akpan and Pritchard (Akpan lol), there's a lot more to discuss than just 'bring back Doyle'.

 

Josh Wright is Orient's player of the year so far, and has 6 goals.

Quite clearly he isn't a bad player any more than Doyle is a bad player.

 

We have to give ourselves the best chance of getting out of this league and where we are now with the injuries and loan players we can get better when players come back from injury, league one has to be our goal any longer in this league even the die hard's might think £149 is to much for is kind of football.
So Stefan has to make a decision he tells Bowyer he lives with the players he has or as you say he dips into his pocket and takes a risk that extra monies will get us over the line, I for one don't want another "nearly season" because we failed to speculate to possibly accumulate, yes no guarantees I know.

 

Ok, maybe hes a good fit for Orient just like Doyle is for Swindon. My bug bare is that it was more obvious that Doyle would be a success at another club if played correctly just like he should have been with us. Bowyer didnt want Doyle to go. Wright was the first one out of the door without any real comment from Bowyer. Nuff said

 

Fair point, I agree with it, but let's be honest what we're saying when we're crying about Doyle scoring for Swindon or looking fondly at Wright doing well at Leyton Orient - realistically, if EVERY SINGLE PLAYER from last season had gone elsewhere and become Superman, would there really be anyone stupid enough to wish that we'd kept them all?

Frankly, I'm glad everyone that left has left. Last season was a disgrace, the players shameful, the club a joke.

I don't understand the unwillingness to put it behind us. Some managed to survive the cull (A O'Connor being a good example) and again, he's hardly having a shocker here - but do I want Wright, Doyle and O'Connor to stay here long term?

No thank you.

They can all go for me, and given how well we're doing, I see absolutely nothing worth missing in the lads that have gone. That includes Payne, that include Butterfield, and the only exception I can think of would be O'Brien - who we had zero chance of keeping.

 

You can have the best ingredients, but the cake will fail if the blend isn't right

 

By the time it gets to January we'll know if Vaughan is the goal scorer we need. If he isn't then recalling Doyle is a no brainer.

 

Exactamundo.

 

By the time it gets to January, we'll know if we need a single goalscorer who scores a lot of goals on his own.

If we don't, and we're top two or three, recalling Doyle is doubtful?

 

All season long loans have a recall option even if not specifically written into the deal.

 

There is no dilemma.If Doyle is earning 5k a week and we're paying half of that it'll cost roughly 60k to keep him here for the next 6 months.

I dont care how we choose to finance such a miniscule amount, It's insignificant to both the deficit and Rupp's wallet.

Imagine saying yes to Chris Taylor and no to the best striker in the division when there's hardly anything in it financially. Madness.

 

Yeah I too get your point. I think the difference is with Doyle many people thought hed do well at this level so with that in mind hed be the one I would have liked to have kept. I appreciate he was on big wages, not in the same league as Payne who I didnt expect to be playing in L2. But with Doyle I did. Hes proving hes a real commodity in L2. Wright however is run of the mill. Yeah hes scored a few goals for Orient but hes by no means the best midfielder in the league. Hes not fit to lace Cookes boots talent wise, if were being completely honest, but Doyle is proving hes up there with the best in the division. That's what grates. Anyways, theres nothing we can do about it until January. Let's hope the powers that be take stock and make the right decisions. To see Swi don go up and us miss out because of one of our players would be heartbreaking

 

Strange - it's been referenced in the media that both clubs have specifically agreed not to say whether a clause exists...

 

Fully understand what you're saying but Doyle is a goal scorer but the main problem for us is that we wasn't playing him right.

Doyle performs better in the box but with us he might as well of been playing in midfield.

Bowyer didn't play him right and it comes to no shock to me that he's scoring goals for Swindon.

With Doyle, Donaldson and Vaughan means going up automatically but hey we still have a chance of it happening.

 

Not sure what you mean by that comment @JonButterfield, without a doubt whilst Rahic was at the club nothing was going to change, Collins had a go and found he was out of his depth, I don't blame him for taking the job as I don't think he had much choice, then Hopkin tried but had the same end product zero success, Bowyer the same.
So we start a fresh everyone with a clean sheet, Bowyer has a choice to make, to keep players he could not get to a tune out of last season or go for broke and bring in players he knew would fit his style of play, the latter meant he had to ship as many players out as possible because of their earnings.
We get rid of Wright who I'd think every City fan knew was one of our top earners but no takers for any of the others, so we start the season playing Donaldson, Vaughan and Doyle in the same starting 11 where none of them looked special.
Swindon come in for Doyle but we have to heavily discount his wage by paying most of it ourselves according to local media, both players are outstanding for their new clubs.
We hear the likes of McCartan openly quoting the club is completely different to the one he left, so here's why I ask about your comment above if Wright and Doyle can go and produce for another manager and club you have to ask why not at City, was the situation under Rahic that bad that it had an effect on everyone at the club both on the field and off it ?.

 

Both their manager and doyle himself have referenced it in their local press so I think there is one, but I suppose it can't be confirmed by either club because it's a confidential contract etc.

 

As much as I’d like to agree with you about Wright been shit, I’m afraid you have to put Doyle and Wright in the same category as they’re literally both among the top performers stats wise in the league and both did poor with us. Sometimes it just doesn’t click at a club, the club was a mess last season off the field which no doubt didn’t help. But I had no qualms with either player going, it’s sometimes best to have a fresh start for both parties, however I’d bring Doyle back as as a loanee it is more likely to bite us on the backside.
The only midfielder technically better than Wright atm is Nicky Law, now I’d have him back before Doyle any day. Him Cooke and Pritchard as a midfield three would destroy teams at this level with ease.

 

Yes, the situation under Rahic was that bad.

It obviously didn't help that we had a poor balance in terms of players, but I would question if we had the right blend of characters as well.

Doyle was not a worker.

Wright was not a worker.

Scannell was not a worker.

Akpan was not a worker.

Gibson was openly sulking.

Anthony O'Connor was openly a very poor character.

Even with players with an honest work rate, there was too much guff.

I'm against re-assembling these players for obvious reasons - mostly because they did not mesh, did not work well, and formed the worst City side I have ever seen. Whether we're not professional enough to carry a couple of them? Maybe. But I'm not overly keen to experiment.