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England Squad - Euro 2024

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Sergio Pinto III, Feb 18, 2024.

  1. Sergio Pinto III

    Sergio Pinto III Squad Player

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    My squad so far, not Southgates!!! Will change by June but for now this is how I am going!

    23 MAN SQUAD


    Goalkeepers - 3
    Pickford (Everton) - Ramsdale (Arsenal) - Pope (Newcastle)

    Pick themselves really. Ramsdale and Pope a worry as not been playing but hopefully get more game time before June.

    Right Backs - 2
    Walker (Man City) - Lewis (Man City)

    Walker without question, Lewis looks a great talent and can fill in at CM.

    Left Backs - 2
    Shaw (Man Utd) - Chillwell (Chelsea)

    Both dependable, hopefully both over injury issues this season. Taking both a concern but Gomez could fill in if require.

    Centre Backs - 4
    Stones (Man City) - Tomori (Milan) - Gomez (Liverpool) - White (Arsenal)

    Recall for Gomez at Pool, very versatile and playing well. White another that can cover a couple of positions. Sadly his days under Southgate are gone.

    Centre Midfielders - 6
    Rice (Arsenal) - Bellingham (Man Utd) - Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool) - Maddison (Tottenham) - Phillips (West Ham) - Mainoo (Man Utd)

    Could to see Phillips getting game time, although a shakey start at West Ham. If he is playing and doing enough then the obvious deputy to Rice. TAA goes as a CM, looked brilliant there for England when he had his chance. Mainoo at Man Utd has really impressed me. He is my wildcard....

    Wingers - 4
    Foden (Man City) - Saka (Arsenal) - Grealish (Man City) - Bowen (West Ham)

    Foden and Saka should start every game. Grealish is a problem as not getting enough minutes but he is a game changer so could be vital late on in games, like he is under Pep. Bowen having a good season and be my 3rd striker back up. Maddison can operate high and wide too.

    Strikers - 2
    Kane (Tottenham) - Watkins (Aston Villa)

    Nobody else really. Toney probably worth a shout if he continues his good form but has to be Kane and Ollie.

    Stand By
    Johnstone (Palace) - Colwill (Chelsea) - Gallagher (Chelsea) - Eze (Palace) - Elliot (Liverpool) - Gordan (Newcastle) - Toney (Brentford)

    All to fill in should someone pull out injured, enough there to cover a like for like. If Sancho finds his form at Dortmund then he is another to consider.

    Notable Absentees
    James, Trippier, Maguire, Henderson, Mount, Sterling, Rashford

    Like James, but he is just too injury prone. Trippier still has something but his time is up. Maguire and Henderson I simply cannot stand. Continue to pick shite players and get average results - we need to move to that next level now. Rashford has been awful this season and Mount is done with England too for the moment.
     
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  2. NorthernMonkey

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    I think I'd take Trippier, purely for his experience and versatility. The left back area concerns me and I feel we definitely need better cover that Gomez there.

    I wouldn't take White as a center half either as he hasn't played there for a long time now and I don't believe it's a position where, at the highest level a player can just slot back in seamlessly. With the lack of options there it just still feels like Maguire is the best choice at international level.

    Lewis' minutes would also be a concern but could be worth a gamble seeing as you've already got two recognised right backs but potentially he's left out for Trippier if I was picking. It's a close one.

    I'd probably also take a proper third striker which would be Toney. I get that if fit, Kane plays nearly every minute but one injury to a striker and we suddenly look very light up there. I'd probably sacrifice a central midfielder and definitely wouldn't take Phillips either way so it's probably him.

    For what it's worth, if we're playing tomorrow my opening team would be 4 2 3 1

    Pickford

    Walker
    Chilwell
    Stones
    Maguire

    TAA
    Rice

    Saka
    Bellingham
    Foden

    Kane

    The only doubt for me is that Foden is better centrally so perhaps play Bellingham deeper for TAA, switch Foden to the middle and bring in Grealish (although I hope it's Rashford and he's had a storming second half of the season).
     
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  3. Sergio Pinto III

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    White is a CB by trade - plays RB for Arsenal but with Stones, Gomez, Tomori and Walker/White who can operate there we are well stocked.

    LB - Shaw, Chilwell and Gomez (if unlucky with injuries surely enough for a month of football).
    RB - Walker, Lewis, White, TAA are all RBs plus Gomez who has enough experience there for Pool. That's why I dont need Trippier.

    Don't think you far off on your starting 11. For me though, I just don't rate Maguire. The other CBs wont get experience if we don't move on from the old, tried and tested.
     
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    I can't argue with any of it, the starting 11 is probably similar for the majority and it's just cover now that would be the debating points.

    I also agree about Maguire but I feel that you have to discount White until we know why he's not featuring and apparently Tomori had a dreadful 12 months last year so I think we're very, very short at centre half.

    There's literally only Stones who I'd rely on and he's also a little injury prone so unless we play a back 3 with Walker in the middle I think whoever we pick there's a case for them not being there anyway.

    Maybe Walker, Stones and Gomez with TAA and Chilwell at wing back? I just think that means we lose a forward player and a lot rests on the wing backs to really perform.
     
  5. Sergio Pinto III

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    Yeh White has no chance, just be my pick. I think Southgate probably takes Konsa or Geuhi anyway.

    CB certainly an issue. How we could do with a JT, Rio or Sol right now.

    Future looking good elsewhere..Lewis, Elliott, Mainoo and 1 or 2 others be knocking on door to replace the old guard before long.
     
  6. Jordan

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    Tough squad to pick this one, i think because Southgate knows it's his last tournament, he is going to stick to his tried and tested. If he doesn't win the cup, he is gone, and trusting kids might not be in his plans. Thats why i think Henderson and Maguire will go and probably play.

    There's 13 I think are nailed on right now, will be on the plane regardless of form - Kane, Bellingham, Rice, Stones, Walker, Pickford, Saka, Foden, Maguire, Tripper, Ramsdale & Shaw being 12 and the 13th is the third choice keeper which will be Pope if fit or Johnstone as GS picks him when one of the main 3 aren't available.

    With the other 12 slots, it's then filling gaps. In the next tier you have Grealish, Henderson, Watkins, Rashford, Maddison, Trent, Chilwell, Phillips & James who GS has picked previously and trusts and likely have a foot in or are just too good to not go like Trent & Watkins this season. Then there's the next tier down who are guys GS has barely/rarely used who have played well in Palmer, Gallagher, Guehi, Bowen, Solanke, Lewis & Dunk. Then there the lads who need to be immense pretty much most games between now and the end of the season in Mainoo, Gordon, Tomori, Eze, JWP, Toney, Wilson, Jones, Colwill & Konsa. With the door 99.9% shut on Mount & Sancho unless they can have some ridiculous form. My outside shout is Ross Barkley, he is so sharp this season.

    Who i think he'll go with (all being fit):
    Pickford, Ramsdale, Pope
    Stones, Maguire, Walker, Trippier, Shaw, Chilwell, Guehi, Colwill
    Trent, Bellingham, Rice, Foden, Saka, Maddison, Phillips, Gallagher, Rashford, Henderson
    Kane, Watkins

    Who i'd go with:
    Pickford, Ramsdale, Pope
    Stones, Maguire, Walker, Trippier, Shaw, Chilwell, Guehi, Tomori
    Trent, Rice, Bellingham, Mainoo, Gallagher
    Saka, Maddison, Rashford, Foden
    Kane, Watkins

    I'd still call up Maguire, just because there aren't many other options at CB. Would have hoped Tomori would have kicked on but he was called out for silly mistakes early in the season and has had a injury for a few months. But he's still better than Colwill, Konsa & Dunk for me. Tripper gets in for his versatility and wouldn't be a starter anyways, but GS will favour him over Lewis. James misses out because he isn't ever fit. I'd go Mainoo as it's obvious the lad will be an England international and it's time to move on from Phillips and Henderson, but i think GS will go with tried and trusted. Cole Palmer is the tough one, i think he is probably the 24th man, who just misses out. He'll only take 1 back up forward again and that has to be Watkins.
     
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    My 23 man squad -
    GK: Pickford, Ramsdale, Butland
    DF: Walker, Trippier, Shaw, Chilwell, Maguire, Stones, Guehi, Tomori, Colwill
    MF: Rice, Bellingham, Trent, Mainoo
    FW: Kane, Saka, Foden, Grealish, Maddison, Watkins, Rashford/Gordon/Palmer

    My 11 would be

    Pickford
    Walker Stones Maguire Shaw/Chilwell (one of them will be injured so the one who isn't)
    Bellingham Rice Foden
    Saka Kane Grealish
     
  8. Sergio Pinto III

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    Rashford is absolutely shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite. No way on gods green earth he deserves to go to the Euros after his petulant behaviour, lack of effort and dire performances this term.

    Saka, Foden, Bowen, Palmer, Maddison, Gordan are streets ahead or should be. Watkins and Solanke are ahead of him in terms of a number 9 as well.
     
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    He definitely wouldn't be going as a Striker, he's terrible there and clearly at the moment shouldn't be anywhere near a wide spot either.

    I think Southgate will take him but unless he has a superb last few months of the season I'd agree that we've better options for that place right now.
     
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    I think this is the current player pool - from certainties to very outside chances.............(I forgot about 1 or 2 in my OP)

    GOALKEEPERS
    Pickford - Pope - Ramsdale - Johnstone - Henderson - Forster - Trafford

    RIGHT BACKS
    Walker - Alexander - James - Trippier - White - Lewis - Livramento

    LEFT BACKS
    Shaw - Chillwell - Colwill - Mitchell - Burn

    CENTRE BACKS
    Stones - Maguire - Tomori - Konsa - Guehi - Dunk - Gomez - Dier - Mings - Branthwaite

    CENTRE MIDS

    DM Rice - Henderson - Phillips - Mainoo
    CM Bellingham - Gallagher - Prowse - Mount - Jones - Cheek

    ATTACKING MIDS/WINGERS
    Foden - Saka - Rashford - Grealish - Maddison - Bowen - Sterling - Palmer - Gordan - Eze - Elliot

    STRIKERS
    Kane - Watkins - Toney - Solanke - Wilson - Abraham - Lewin

    Be very surprised if someone not listed above is called up to the 23.
     
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    Gomez, Konsa, Branthwaite and Gordan IN
    Phillips finally OUT

    Ben White refused the call up. Told Gareth, no thank you.
     
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    Absolute scenes if Bowen was dropped for Lingard!
     
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    We have an embarrassment of riches IMO. Squad to squad we can go up against most. Its just our manager, I am not a fan at all.

    Branthwaite has a big future so I applaud him for calling him up. Wont be at Everton long - can easily see a big 7 paying big bucks.
     
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    Completely agree, we just need to find the right balance. He's taken a step forward by dropping Phillips so if he can just continue on that path and drop Henderson and probably Rashford I'll actually start to believe that we can finally win something.
     
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  15. SimonW

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    Maguire gets so much stick that he doesn't deserve it. Has never let England down and even for United where he has at times been poor it's been overblown. As Ole suggested recently the whole thing that happened to him while on Holiday did seem to impact him and the other thing is often it was an issue with the United team more than just him, his weakness is he is slow and as Varane was always out injured he was playing with Lindeloff, Lindeloff whose positioning is woeful and he is pretty slow, Maguire would have to try and cover him but he was often not quick enough to do that effectively and the space he left could be exploited, especially as we didn't have a DM. He finally got some chances this season beside a partner who suits him better and with some decent DM options and he has been good.

    The simple fact is the key to a good football team has always been not about having the biggest names but having a team of players that complement each other, its why despite the money you have seen PSG spend they flop and recently Chelsea (and even Man Utd over the last few years) as the teams aren't balanced. With the right people around him to complement his weakness which certainly over the last few years England have had then Maguire is top level
     
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    Rashford to me offers more in the England team than many of the other options. He isn't the best player on paper but Foden especially just hasn't generally impressed me in an England Shirt, you sometimes have players who can play better internationally or at least equally as good but you also get others that don't match the highs they do at club. I worry Pep's notoriety for drilling his players to his style hinders him when he doesn't play in that system he has lost some adaptability. Rashford on the other hand often performs when he isn't performing for United (And his form had picked up until Rasmus got injured and he was asked to play as a striker, maybe he could work as a striker in a 2 but as a lone striker his has none of the required qualities)
     
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    I suppose it's all about opinions @SimonW@SimonW but I'm certainly not having Maguire (even though I defended him) as being "top level". He's in because we're particularly short in that area but I suspect this is probably his last major tournament.

    As for Rashford, I just don't see it. When he's on it he can be world class and we've seen extremely high level performances before but he's having a really poor spell this season and for me, his performances probably don't even warrant a place in the squad, let alone the first 11.

    Your point on Pep may have some merit but right now Foden is probably the stand out player in the PL and not only that, he's maintained that ultra high level even while being shifted across 4 different roles (including false 9).

    Compare that to Rashford who seemingly shows a complete lack of interest if he's not stationed on the left so that he can cut in and shoot. He's increasingly becoming a one trick pony and either needs a complete attitude overhaul or a move away so he can start afresh.
     
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    Spot on - I can agree on both counts. Maguire in by proxy as we are light at CB but we have plenty of forward options - all playing far better than Rashford.

    Its a continuous cycle for England managers picking players on rep rather than form - which is why we never win a damn thing.

    Pickford
    Walker - Stones - ??? - ???
    Jude - Rice - Trent
    Saka - Kane - Foden

    By my middle/front 6 - nailed on. Most fans can see it and hopefully Southgate can. Just left back and centre back with question marks.

    I said a month or so ago, Joe Gomez should be in that starting conversation now. In great form, back to full fitness and has pace.
     
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    I'd perhaps like to see a 4 2 3 1 as it means we can get Jude higher up the pitch.

    Pickford
    Walker - Stones - ??? - Chilwell
    Rice - Trent
    Saka - Bellingham - Foden
    Kane

    It also means it's easier to drop Bellingham deeper and have a Foden/Madison/Palmer through the middle and with a little more attacking freedom rather than as an orthodox midfielder.
     
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    Yeah i think the team pretty much picks itself up until the LCB slot and maybe even LB. It's surely a Shaw/Chilwell contest but neither can stay fit for long lately. Wouldn't be surprised to see Trippier line up at LB during the tournament as GS likes him and can cover if neither are fit.

    I'm a fan of the new kits for the tournament too for once.
     
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