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One win from the Championship and playing league football against L*eds. All destroyed once he got his grubby hands on the club and implementing his strategy. His actions led us to relegation and we're still recovering now both on and off the pitch.

It makes me sick thinking about how things could have been after the years of progression under Parky and how close we came to reaching the championship. As the "hands on" leader of the club he should take responsibility for the decisions he took and the outcomes it led to. He f*cked 5 years of progression in an 18 month spell at the helm.

 

There's far too much angst and blame laid at Edin's door, both in this thread and in general. There were others, some still at the club and some who jumped ship as we were sinking who were also culpable for our demise yet seemingly get a free pass.

Let's not forget, some people now reveling in Edin's downfall were more than happy to back him when the suspicions were first raised and safeguard their own interests first rather than the interests of the club.

Don't get me wrong, Edin deserves a huge amount of criticism (although personal insults don't sit right) and he definitely shouldn't have shown more humility in accepting massive errors of judgement.
However, it's sloping shoulders of others that stood idly by or perhaps even actively participated that I don't like.

One person alone simply couldn't have caused all of this, not without others being at least complicit and we'd do well to remember that in amongst the back slapping of some.

 

If you had a toxic barrel labeled Edin you wouldn't take the lid off or touch it with a bargepole.
The damage done to our club by one individual has and always will rear it's ugly head every now and again thanks to those who see fit to mention the most vile employee our club had the misfortune to be associated with.
I personally detest the man.

 

Be fair Rod. The owner is the Flamingo land pension scheme so the beneficiaries of the assets in it are everyone who works for Flamingo land and it's directors, not just Gordon Gibb.

He totally saved us from liquidation with that move and the rent I believe is £375,000 which isn't actually a lot for a large sports stadiums. There are many medium sized shops in city centres that (pre covid) command that kind of rental.

As a beneficiary of the FLPS, Gordon Gibb will not be one of the trustees, so what he did is to pave the way for a deal, not actually make the deal. I maintain that had he not done that, and had it just been left to Junior, there would only be a phoenix club in some lower league. Gibb doesn't deserve any of the critisism that some throw at him.

 

He's not got the type of personality to admit he got so many things wrong. He wouldn't listen to more experienced people back then, so he's unlikely to admit to his failings now. Thankfully, he was discovered before he destroyed the club totally.
He's probably got the talk, which counts for too much these days, but his performance doesn't live up to his mouth.

 

Still angers me how he destroyed this club, when he joined all we needed were a couple of decent players to add to Parkys squad and we’d have been promoted.. but no “he knew football” and decided to hit the reset button.. pretty much wiped out every single person at Bradford City... right down to the safety officer!

Edin - Rot in hell you barsteward!

 

Its like any commercial transaction. There'll be a value attached to a limited term lease, and a value to the sale of the ground. Much would depend on the value placed on a purchase price. We've no idea what that is. But we do know that the lease expires in 7 years, so the remaining value is ~£2m. We do have some leverage in so much as we could actively explore the cost and implications of moving to a new stadium and we should be having those conversations now. In the midst of economic crash and uncertain road to recovery, the pension trust manager will have a keen interest in the absolute's that come with a sale of the ground rather than second guessing whether we extend the lease. At one point we were over a barrel, but we aren't now. Not to the same extent anyway. We have some real options and some options to bluff. At the very least, we should be trying to play a very astute and grown up game of commercial poker here.

 

Its owned by the RFL and no, never, ever. Fill it in and build on it. I never ever want to see us up there. Its not right on any level whatsoever

 

It’s not about what fans want or even moving at all, it’s about having a plan A, B, C and D so we don’t get bent over when renegotiating the lease.

 

£5m to redevelop Odsal? Not a chance. It needs four new stands building over the speedway track. The best thing for Odsal is landfill.

 

Fingers crossed we haven't witnessed a false dawn like we did when we finished bottom of League One by a country mile.

We should be good enough to stay up, but we have shown zero confidence in our managers and won't back them.

Let's hope we're not looking for an emergency replacement who YET AGAIN missed out on a transfer window.

For what it's worth, I think we'll finish mid table.

 

Richmond would be the obvious one. Certainly forward thinking and ambitious, but we know from history that he exposed us to certain risks that came to bite when the ITV digital deal collapsed. But that ride was the best any of us will ever have had as City fans.

Other clubs manage to attract such owners though, I'm not sure why we couldn't. I think there's a lot of potential in this club, but it needs vision and a level of wealth to unlock it. Sadly, everything about this City seems defeatist and backward thinking. The regression of the club mirrors that of the City as a whole.

There's one thing that's clear to me - Rupp has neither the interest or desire invest in growing the club, beyond protecting the money he's put in to buy it. The fact that he hasn't bought the ground, speaks volumes to me.

 

How dare you challenge the narrative that big bad Edin is not solely to blame.

 

Gibb effectively has us by the balls when it comes to renegotiating the lease. He knows full well we bring little to the table in brokering a deal. And please don't tell me we can just walk away, there is nowhere else to walk to. A new lease will be negotiated pretty much under Gibbs terms, its upto City to work out how to use the stadium to its potential.

 

Without sounding like @Fordy117 the club needs to move on and hopefully they are. We have made so many mistakes since and will probably continue to do so.

I know the club haven’t commented but you get the idea.

 

The most plausible of his claims is that Stefan sacked Stuart, and that seems extremely unlikely.

 

Quite right. Far too many enabled his behavior, particularly key individuals within or closely associated with the club. The sad truth is, we've been regressing as a club for over 20 years, permeated by a brief renaissance of sorts under parky - which was clearly driven by him rather than anything that the club did systematically.

Sparks looks to have a little more ambition, but I'm not placing too much stock in what we've seen over the last 8 weeks. I honestly don't think we'll move forward properly until we have an owner with vision, who's willing to invest and take a level of measured risk in terms of personal finances.

 

Richmond certainly brings back good and bad memories. Had he not literally forced Paul Jewell out of the club and left the recruiting and football matters to him we may have still got relegated but wouldn't have ended up in that financial mess and the club might have actually grown over time rather than nearly folding.
Jewell has said several times since that Benito Carbone was a very good player (we all new that) but for what we were paying him he could have brought in 4 players, and may not have signed some of the other big earners.
Today Burnley are a good model for us to follow if we can get the right owner! Similar stadium but much bigger population and crowd potential.