Cup Runs/Promotion

and your quote there was different to the original. you have stated their vision for promotion was 3 years which it was. offside stated that they promised promotion within three years. see the difference?

i don't know if there was one, i was simply using an example.

it's like when people say a promotion team was dismantled, it wasn't - the team failed to get promoted twice from the play-offs therefore not a promotion side. it's the subtle differences that count and can lead to opinions being formed from incorrect understanding or people not reading the statements correctly.

take the example of MC when he stated he had to "work with what he had" after the transfer window closed. most managers/coaches say that as there is nothing else they can do to change the squad and it is factually correct. now, people said he stated that he had to "work with what he was given", which is factually incorrect and implies that he had no input over the squad built. there's a massive difference between those two statements but people heard only what they wanted to hear and changed the statement to suit their agenda or position. this then gets picked up by others and escalates away from the actual statement.

 

I believe I've read on here Peterborough have sunk a lot of money into there method of getting potential youngster in, and although they have been successful in the past they are still in league one and have been for the last few seasons, that says to me how difficult it is to have both situations.
At the moment there looking a strong side and have a manager who knows how to get teams promoted, but lets not forget how much Darragh MacAnthony has pumped into the club over the years he's been there.

 

i had a quick look at peterborough yesterday and over the last 5 years they've spent around £5m on players, whilst receiving £20m+ on transfers out. they aren't short of cash.

 

Yes it was my interpretation of what I believed they'd said not Onside's.
Your example above is why I'm not a lover of having a head coach, as I understand it there is a transfer committee for want of a better word, who decide which players come into the club and it's the head coaches job along with his backroom staff to mold them into a successful team.
Whilst a managers identifies the player he requires for a certain position ( given the club can afford him) and he is judged on the team overall that he brings together, I understand it is successful for some club but so is the old method of a manager making all the footballing calls.

 

That is development players ?, if so there is no way Edin & Stefan can compete with that sort of investment as well as trying to bring quality into the first team squad, or should I say as yet they have not shown that sort of investment (and that's not having a pop).
If they have received £20m they should not still be in our division.

 

We are trying to develop youth players to develop and sell. Have we started building the proper infrastructure or are we just signing loads of kids?

https://www.theposh.com/teams/official-scouts/

https://www.theposh.com/news/2018/august/club-seeking-academy-scouts/

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/latest-news-new-peterborough-united-co-owners-hail-a-perfect-partnership-with-darragh-macanthony-as-a-three-to-five-year-plan-for-the-club-is-revealed-1-8401318

 

players like dwight gale, britt assombalonga, jack marriot (£3m this summer alone; £2.5m profit in a year), connor washington.

 

Yes I've heard the names trotted out @brisbanebantams but would we be in a position to invest £1m per season to risk getting that sort of return on these sort of players.

 

at this moment in time no, i don't think we are in that position but i guess it has to start somewhere. that's why i think the owners are trying to improve the 'grassroots' aspect of the club so that in years to come we may be able to see such a pathway for talented youngsters to come through the club, which will then benefit the first team either financially or in terms of squad quality, but this will take time. clubs at our level like peterborough and barnsley are probably close to a decade ahead of us in this regard, and those at a higher level possibly 10-15 years ahead.

whatever had happened; something had to change at the club. we could only keep trying and relying on cup runs for so long. have things tried to be changed too quickly? maybe. but the vision in right for what my opinion is worth.

 

Firstly I did not make it up; I trusted them when they got here, and thought they did promise, but then I wasn’t expecting to need a lawyers interpretation of exactly what was said, I now know different, any words they utter needs a complete deconstruction, so we are not led the down the garden path. You can laugh with derision if you like, and go and do whatever it is you do when you have been proved right. We will just ignore his 10 year plan to get us into the PL as well, that doesn’t have any details either.

Now back to this apology, think I will just bin that as well, because unlike you, I have no intention of a deconstruction job on everything that comes out of their mouth. The fans that have shown caution are right. Misleading fans appears to be an art form round here.

 

Peterborough are historically a lower league club scratching around predominantly in the bottom division and the lower reaches of what is now league 1. Since MacAnthony has been at the club it has consistently punched above its weight, due in main to a policy of signing up and coming talent .

This policy in the last few years has paid handsomely in the transfer market allowing the club to make improvements to the ground and training facilities whilst also allowing the managers money to reinvest in team strengthening. Ally this to a league campaign that has seen three seasons of championship football in nine years and you could successfully argue that the strategy and model that MacAnthony uses is indeed successful for an historically lower league positioned football club.

Peterborough are as close to a self sufficient club as you could get. Bringing in players with a clear directive to use the potential windfall from transfer fees to fund the day to day running of the club should be applauded. But heres the catch. Peterborough splash out, in lower league terms, big money for this potential. It doesn't come cheap. And you may lose on your investment as MacAnthony has done with some of his signings.

I read with interest your comments on how big a club Bradford are perceived to be by our fans and happen to agree with general gist of them. What makes or breaks a club these days is not your history or the size of population. Its how serious are your owners about success in the future. And that seriousness all boils down to cold hard cash. And lots of it. Better coaches, better facilities, better players, it all costs money.

Maybe as fans we do need a reality check now and then, five years of slow steady progress was always going to come to a halt without the influx of major investment. Maybe time to realise we are what we are, an average league 1 side with average income that for the last couple of seasons has punched above its weight. We aren't a 'championship club in waiting' we never were.

 

but they didn't promise promotion did they? that's the whole point and where your argument falls down. they said the aim was promotion, it's not the owners job to make sure the fans know the difference between an aim and a promise - especially not in what is their second but the fans' first language.