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  1. Faithful Bantam

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    I don't really care, being honest. They have a presence in the UK, and I'll be joining those boycotting their stores and products. Its appalling practice and can't be allowed to become commonplace. Its an affront to basic civil liberty and that appalls me, wherever its happening.
     
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  2. Dennis

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    Costa are simply complying with the Irish Govt's own Covid rules as they impact on the hospitality sector in Ireland. Maybe it would be a better use of your time to start a protest outside the Irish embassy? ;)
     
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  3. Faithful Bantam

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    Good shout. But I'm saving my placards for when it needs a urine test and evidence of voting history to nip into Morrisons.
     
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  4. Stafford Bantam

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    I've been boycotting Costa for years. Its appalling coffee and can't be allowed to become commonplace. Its an affront to good quality coffee and that appalls me, wherever its happening.
     
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    Boris has found a way of getting rid of most of the 80+ year olds saving a fortune, No way he is going to give up on covid now :cool:
     
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  6. trevor

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    The Tories have cut the NHS budget as a percentage of GDP for every year in power since a high set by Labour in 2009/10, It is not what we can afford as a nation as more a matter of where we choose to spend our taxes, By comparison we spend less on the NHS than most comparable nations including most of the EU and a lot less than the USA spends on public healthcare,
     
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  7. Faithful Bantam

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    It has everything to do with the agenda behind Covid, you're just too blind or ignorant to see it.
     
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    Yeah, cos thats what the conspiracy theory you're dismissing is based around, isn't it.
     
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    My belief is in the outcomes that the supposed 'conspiracy' of a 'great reset' that are being played out before our eyes, rather than blindly following government and mainstream media narrative. Its happening - dismiss it as fantasy all you want, but its happening; Mass control of movement, censorship of speech, extension of government and policing powers, restrictions of right to protest, impeding the freedom of the press, the digitsation of currency and erosion of cash, a system which normalises forced medical procedures that COULD be used as a mechanism for all manner of things, the erosion of small business and supply chains creating ever more scope for the growth of massive multinational organisations, an ever growing dependency on the state and the means by which the state makes decisions and controls what you're going to end up being able to buy. Its all happening, you just don't want to believe it because you can't or won't connect it all.

    I've no idea how its co-ordinated and I'm not sure that even matters. The idea that a small number of people and businesses with power and influence that's difficult to comprehend, all of whom are self-interested and driven by power, control, money, might work together to effect a transformed society to enhance their own benefit to the detriment of the masses, is hardly fantasy. There's plenty of historic precedent for a small number of evil, narcistic types committing incomprehensible atrocities against the people they purport to protect and lead.
     
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  10. Faithful Bantam

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    Or for who gets to buy food from supermarkets. Good or evil, its a gateway to the government being able to decide how people can spend their money.
     
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    Some people can't be told. You don't have to have all the answers to seriously challenge what's going on. The blind faith that people are placing in what their governments tell them is astounding - as if governments and politicians have a history of being completely transparent and working in the best interests of the public.

    The idea of there being some form of agenda to massively transform the social and economic landscape seems easily dismissed. Largely on the basis of either 'why would anyone want to do such a thing', or 'that could never be co-ordinated on a global level'. Neither of which actually seem that fantastical to me. The majority of the worlds economy is controlled by a very small number of people, which transcend individual national governments. The world is connected, communication can be manipulated at speeds and to extent that has never been historically possible before.

    But some people want to reduce it to 'yeah, Bill Gates wants to turn you into a robot'.
     
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    I'm not a conspiracy theorist and the choice of thread title is a poor one because it automatically railroads all discussion into the folder labelled bat shit crazy. And that's the problem with 'conspiracy theories'. They take away from the fact there is a story of truth and deception there but it's hilacked by the likes of Alex Jones.
     
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    Illuminati Rules
     
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  14. Dennis

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    Let's take a step back first. Anti viral vaccines such as AZ don't kill the virus. They work by energising your own immune system prior to coming into contact with the virus so your own ant-bodies etc will attack the virus once it's in your cells. They do this by getting your immune system to recognise the virus earlier so priming your immune system to recognise the virus. Your immune system is already set up to recognise the virus much earlier than if you hadn't had the vaccine.

    It isn't however foolproof. How successful it is for you is all about probability and risk. For a single jab of either the AZ or Pfizer vaccine, the largescale trials measured the efficacy of the vaccine at around 65%. That measures how good the vaccine is at preventing the illness. Day to day if you are infected with the virus, you have a 35% chance of that infection leading to the illness. You were one of the 35% whose infection led to the Covid illness which is why you've been so unwell.

    A second jab of the vaccine after a time delay improves the efficacy of the vaccine enormously. It increase from around the 65% level to around 95% That may not sound like a big improvement but it means for all of us that the risk of being infected and it becoming an illness drops from around 35% from 1 jab to about 5% after the second. There is still a residual risk there which is why some people who have already been double jabbed can still suffer from the Covid illness but the risk of that is much reduced.

    HTH


    Edit - The efficacy rates I quoted above are in relation to the Alpha (Kent) variant. The efficacy rates will be different for protection against the dominant Delta variant. Some studies indicate the current jabs are less effective against the Delta variant.
     
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    So why the need for COVID passports if the vaccines are that effective? Why are the vaccinated been made to feel so afraid of the unvaccinated?

    If an unvaccinated person gets the virus, and if a vaccinated person is unlucky enough to actually catch the virus from that person, it's very unlikely they'll even get ill, so why are they so scared?
     
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  16. Faithful Bantam

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    Vaccine passports are about control and coercion, plain and simple. If it were about safety, there'd be no reason to exclude a negative testing option.
     
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    On the subject of vaccine safety, any safety risks have been dismissed as marginal and 'greatly outweighed by the benefit' as a blanket statement for all, by government. And therefore taken as gospel by many.

    A couple of interesting points - and I don't know whether there's any connection with the first:

    1) The government has just issued an NHS contract tender for blood clot treatments, with a 3 year contract value of over £3b - £1b per year as an average. This article suggests that the current cost of treatment is nearer £208m per year. That's a hell of a jump - are they expecting a significant increase in blood clot treatments....? Blood clots cost the NHS £570,000 a day - RBR Legflow Active (rbractive.com)
    2) Pharma company pursues a treatment to prevent death from the Covid vaccine ✴️Arc_Unreal on Twitter: "Due to the high volume of deaths related to the Covid vaccine, a company is developing a drug to try and prevent your death from the Covid vaccine! https://t.co/J8ZRbrgBF6" / Twitter

    There clearly are risks with this vaccine - how much risk? Who knows, because its heavily censored. However, the fact that we're now dividing society and putting immense pressure on people to take a vaccine that has at least a level of ambiguity around the risk, seems utterly immoral.
     
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    Johnson wouldn't have a clue, there again neither would any other member of Parliament. For all these so called experts in the field it doesnt take a genius to work out the best way to fight a virus is containment, the quicker and more rigorous you are with lockdown and civil orders.
     
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    replying to the post above
     
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  20. Faithful Bantam

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    Proof of vaccination AND photo ID now required to buy a cup of f******g coffee at Costa now.

    Not that its real, its all just a conspiracy by wackjobs
     
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