COVID-19

I don't think it does and I can't see why they'd ignore such a crucial aspect, it would make it completely pointless.

 

The virus always has and always will spread, even in the vaccinated population. The vaccines reduce the risk that person has when they get the virus, many to the extent they won't even know they have it.

The number of people in hospital now is close 100 different from the number of people who were in hospital on the 1st May. The main difference between then and now is that people can mix inside "legally".

As cases can be found in vaccinated people, the number of cases being banded about doesn't give us the full picture. If half of these cases are in people who are double vaccinated but are perfectly ok due to being double jabbed when what are we scared of? All we hear is the majority of people who are in hospital are those who are not double jabbed, but we aren't told if these people are vulnerable people who refused the jab as we would expect that hopitialisation anyhow.

We aren't getting a full picture of what is happening as the government is handpicking the figure it wants to paint the picture of the narrative it chooses. So tonight to backup increased restrictions it will cherry pick the data to paint a case for defending that stance, and the media won't dig into that data as they will be more focused on Gotchas of why didn't you close the boarders from India.

I find it strange that only the UK could be overrun with the Delta variant when other countries had open routes to India for longer and later than we did.

 

My children will not be getting the vaccine. If it is safe enough for them to sit in a classroom of 30+ people during this pandemic then I don't think they need jabbing thank you.

 

I don't think there's any doubt the rollout is starting to go a bit worse than they anticipated so there will no doubt be some further goalpost shifting on this again. Nothing to actually back this up but I think they were expecting to get a lot more of the vaccines from India but those were clearly prioritsed elsewhere when it exploded over there so it's not speeded up as they anticipated.

One other thing I just wanted to mention was that while the 60% difference you mentioned earlier between the Alpha and Delta variant is quite correct mathematically it's also a tad misleading. With Alpha an infected person passed it onto about 8% of their close contacts whereas Delta they pass it on to about 13%. it goes without saying that any increase is bad but that 60% figures that's being spoken about can make people think that it's a difference between a 10% and 70% chance.

 

When hospitalisation rates are as they are, it's always good to throw out a percentage to scare the public.
65% of all hospitalisations are of the under 65s makes it sound like its ravaging the young, when realistically all that has happened is its protected the vulnerable, but that doesn't justify restrictions.

 

What exactly is it that you are so desperate to do that you can't currently do that, after 15 months of this, won't wait a few more weeks?

 

A few weeks, yeah we have heard that before.

What exactly are you scared of when fully vaccinated?

 

I'm not scared. I'm going out, having friends in etc.

But vaccines aren't 100% effective. They don't work for everyone and no one knows who they don't work for until they catch it.
And also no one knows whether younger people getting asymptomatic Covid are getting damage they don't know about that may come back to bite them later. So the more people who are double vaxed against this more harmful and virulent strain, the better.

You haven't answered my question. What is it that you are so desperate to do that you can't do now?

 

It's not really what I am desperate to do but the damage to reduce coming down the line.

I'm not sure on your age but you probably won't have to pay for all this. Maybe your mortgage is paid off so you don't see the massive interest charges down the line when inflation kicks in.

You might not have to worry about finding a job, losing your current job, seeing your business go bust because it is trading with its hands tied behind it's back.

Covid is measured in more than cases in people that don't even know they have it such is the effect on them.

4 weeks, this has now been kicked into next spring. Will hundreds of thousands of people die? Not a chance. Will hundreds of thousands be unemployed, definitely.

 

The next generations always have to pick up the tab for past generations spending, who paid for the armoured vehicles and munitions we got from the USA during the 2nd World War, I believe we made a final payment on 31st December 2006, unfortunately its not something that can be dismissed by future generations, screw you America we weren't around then so cancel the debt.

 

I never said the debt doesn't need paying, I was saying we are needlessly adding to it at this stage.

 

Here is the latest projections released today for what sage predicted would be the effect of opening on the 21st June.

So 250k cases per day in the summer in a mostly vaccinated population. It was about 100k in the middle of winter in a totally unvaccinated population.

2k hospital admissions a day, 20k in hospital, 500 deaths a day.

Sage, the vaccine deniers.

I wonder how Texas have managed in big metropolis areas like Dallas and Houston with high population densities back since March, sage modelling would have them wiped out by now.

 

I'm with you I hoped some easing would have been allowed and we would open up more but unfortunately the Government feel it will help if we can get more vaccinated the open up.
With regards my reply you said "I'm not sure on your age but you probably won't have to pay for all this. Maybe your mortgage is paid off so you don't see the massive interest charges down the line when inflation kicks in" so I just pointed out its never the generation that built the debt that ultimately pay for it.

 

I wonder if Andrew Lloyd Webber will still open like he said last week

 

You may need to rethink your stance when these Social Nazis start baying for kids to be branded on their foreheads and sent to ‘re education schools’ and not allowed to mixed with vaccinated kids.
I’m sure they’ll be a few on here that’ll have their branding irons ready.
All in the name of ‘social responsibility’ fecking idiots.