COVID-19

The 70% referred to in the article and also the other -% are not a percentage of those with or who have had the disease, it is a percentage of those with the disease that were symptom free. So it doesn’t say anything about the number with the disease just that those that get it are symptom free.

two totally different things

 

That's what I meant but you're right that I didn't word it very well at all.

 

I think his works shows those percentage of carriers were symptom free rather than those percentage of the school population were carriers. Two massively different things unless he has released more work since the piece covered in the Guardian

 

yep so out of a school with 1000 kids it isn’t saying 700 are carriers, it is saying 70% of those that tested positive were symptom free.

 

it is basically using the details from the areas that have already done mass testing, either in school or in general. Those that test positive are then asked if they had symptoms, these details are combined with the numbers that were symptomatic and tested positive.

 

Fully agree. Boris was too slow. Didn't us all the labs available. Didn't lockdown fully enough.

Now it should be: No takeaways open, no click and collect anywhere, nowhere open that isn’t essential such as garden centres, CAR WASHES and driving ranges. Supermarkets need to close. Online deliveries only. Literally give people no excuse to not be at home unless it’s for healthcare reasons. Boris is currently telling people in Tier 4 areas to ‘stay home’ yet the amount of places still open that are anything but essential is ridiculous.

It’s time for decisive and strong action, lockdown, stay home and get millions vaccinated in that time. Yet all as we’re left with is more dithering, more false promises and more indecision that will cost thousands more lives. What’s he waiting for exactly?

Asleep at the wheel, like he has been throughout this crisis. BORIS JOHNSON IS A JOKE!!

 

What a depressing idea.

Unfortunately you may get your wish. Hope everyone is happy when this becomes reality

 

I’ll be happier than the last pointless lock down as it was so half hearted it was pointless

 

Yes, it's grim mate but unfortunately we will have all pay the price for the government not doing what they should have from the start even for a few weeks.

There are now 79,818 positive cases from the 29th December.

We are really back to the end of March again.

 

Should have just kept us all locked up in our houses for a year and they everyone will have been delighted at what a brilliant government they were I suppose.

Seems to be what people want at the moment.

 

Mate when you have knobheads like this about NO government restrictions are going to stop the spread. Stop blaming the government for the actions of people like this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55503852

 

5s and 3s stop for no one

 

People don't want to be locked up in their houses for a year, as you well know. But all this pissing around with belated half measures is getting us nowhere. The government keeps saying it won't do this and that and then doing it two or three weeks later when the horse has already bolted
.
The first lockdown had a high level of compliance because the rules were clear and applied to everyone (Dominic Cummings excepted, of course). We need to go back to that clarity for the worst of the winter to get ahead of this more contagious variant.

 

Cannot help thinking delaying the second injection is a mistake, We should give full coverage as soon as possible, My fear is that by delaying the second dose it gives time for the virus to "learn" how to adapt against the weaker dose in our body and make it useless putting us back to square one killing thousands again while we reconfigure a new vaccine.

 

The problem if people don't want to be locked up in their houses and also don't want to have complete freedom then everything in the middle IS a half measure.

I'm not particularly bothered if they do things 3 weeks after they are first mooted - removing liberties should be a last resort so I don't really want them putting in new measures at the drop of a hat. Especially this time because when we go into lockdown on this occasion.....we aren't getting out of it until the vaccines have properly kicked in, it's going to be a long haul.

People can of course take the information that is out there and amend their activities of their own accord without having it forced on them by the government but that doesn't seem to be happening. I don't get why people want the government to make every single decision for them,

And the Dominic Cummings thing has been flogged to death. It's an excuse, nothing more. 80% of the population won't care who he is and that's probably even higher from the people who are willingly breaking the rules. The initial stages of the lockdown had high compliance because people were scared and there was literally nothing to do anyway, as both of those things have eroded away then compliance drops. The media circus around what Cummings did probably didn't help though with their lack of explanation about what did or didn't constitute a rule break.

 

At every step of the way the government has dithered and prevaricated. They always act several weeks after the scientists say they should so their actions are always ineffective. It's the worst of all worlds - bring in restrictions late, so people feel the the privations of the restrictions but see them having little effect on curtailing the spread of the virus.
You can bandy about all the statistics you like but simple commonsense tells me that having classes full of unmasked children and young people sitting and playing together all day is a recipe for disaster at present, especially as most of them will be symptomless so won't know they've got it until they've already passed it on to numerous others.
Oh, and several polls have demonstrated that Cummings actions, and Johnson's failure to sack him, had a major impact on people's respect for and compliance with the rules.

 

It's pretty simple. They are having to spend several hours every day, without PPE, in classrooms full of maskless kids. Most of those kids are at little risk if they catch the virus and most won't even know they've got it until they start passing it on to older people (like teachers) who are at far more risk. I'd be shitting myself in that situation and so would most other people. With the new variant being apparently more easily caught by kids I'm not surprised that teachers are unhappy about going back in for face to face teaching unless they've been given the vaccine to protect them.

 

You can't say they ignore the scientists and then when you're asked to say what evidence there is of kids in school driving the virus completely ignore the need for that kind of input and rely on "commonsense". Either we need scientific evidence or we don't, at least be consistent.

"late" is a subjective point, as I keep saying I'm happy for them to use restrictions as a last resort but people who want restrictions to be brought in on the first day someone coughs will view them as late, There is a range or opinions on it. You might think that they should have put Yorkshire into tier 4 straight after lockdown, other might want to wait and see, it is all a shade of grey so making out like there is a right and wrong time is inaccurate. People themselves can still make their own decisions without the government forcing it on them, Boris isn't forcing people to go out and shop!

No way!!! If people are giving the opportunity to blame someone else for their poor decisions rather than accepting their own actions they take it????? Get out of town!! I don't believe it.

 

Apart from the scientific studies say that doesn't happen and there seems to be no evidence of teachers, or households with children being disproportionately affected. Follow the science eh?