COVID-19

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8697483/Russias-Covid-vaccine-actually-WORK-early-data-suggests.html?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral


This would be a great piece of good news for the world.

 

Probably good news for the Oxford vaccine that they based it on

 

Looks good to me.

 

The daft bit is go to Spain and you have to quarantine for 14 days because the rate is over 20 per 100,000. Leeds has a rate of 34.4 but you can travel from there freely.

 

Of course it does - people are wising up to the fact they’ve being lied to and had the piss taken.
Although I won’t be in a rush to take my kids to a soft play area - but that’s only because most of them are full of tiny little C words.

 

That would make sense if Spain only had a rate of 20 per 100,000

 

Nothing makes sense with it the government are clutching at straws as to what to do next
No lockdown restrictions where I am but drive 2 minutes and they apply
A good friend of mine who is a conspiracy nut was "preaching" to me in March about what was happening and I have to admit I scoffed at most of it however as time has evolved quite a bit of it has come true
A vaccine developed and fully tested in 5 months is not coming anywhere near me that's for sure
I will wear a face mask which I and many others consider useless only to keep the peace

 

I don't view it in the same way at all.

I don't want the government controlling every aspect of my life but I accept that if they do nothing people will completely disregard the virus so they have to put some restrictions in place.

They should open up the economy as much as possible, inform people of the risks, clamp down when things look to be getting out of control and keep information flowing. Apart from that it should be up to the people.

The only issues with it are that people will naturally take the piss is they view the inactivity of the government as an indication the problem is over and there are too many people politically point scoring on the repercussions of opening the economy up.

 

Isn't that just how boundaries work?

Whenever they are doing stuff area by area they will always be locations close to each other that are under different guidance.

What is the alternative?

 

Until rising cases convert into rising hospital activity, people are going to scoff at everything going on. Belgium, Netherlands, Swtizerland and Spain all seem to have completed second waves where deaths peaked at only 2-4% of wave 1. UK and unlocked Sweden meanwhile saw hospital activity and deaths keep falling on variably testing activity - no wave 2 in deaths as yet and that's after 10 weeks of increasing new cases in the UK. None of the places hit hard in wave 1 are showing anything for hospitals to worry about and that includes the hard hit US states. In fact, the US wave 1 states have been so untouched by wave 2 it makes one wonder how media can not be speculating about herd immunity. It would certainly fit the bill for what has happened across both the USA and Europe.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/peter.james.walker#!/vizhome/shared/PPKCCXG7B



@Aaron Baker - after some further research, I decided the omission of the oldest age group in your link was a problem and the reason seems to be because it was still falling from wave 1 which distorts the picture. I've found another couple of not so good sources but am still working on it. They generally show modest rises for cases amongst the young that don't look big enough to account for a 90% fall in hospital admissions and deaths a the same time as new cases more than doubled since early July. However, they also show significantly falling new cases amongst the very old in that period - but again not significant enough to account for more than a small portion of the fall in hospitalisations and deaths. I am still looking for more information. I think I could do with another couple of weeks of later data and some information about how much they are testing the old. I know they are doing more tests on young people - care home workers, food factory workers, airports, schools, etc. - but I don't know about old people. (My mum is in a home and we've authorised two tests, separated by 6 weeks, on her while her carers are being tested weekly.) I'm going to have to try find some more information. There's not enough out there that I can find on this and it's not supported enough with accurate numbers that I can find. I still tend to think the newspaper stories about young going out more is a bit of a red herring. What matters is behaviour of the old. I am working on that and been slightly surprised so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8615423/Coronavirus-infection-rates-rising-age-groups-65-Public-Health-England-data-shows.html

 

After the Bank Holiday the other week why has ours not peaked , surely for the virus to peak it needs the population gathering in numbers just as they were at those seaside resorts, raves, and protest marches etc ?.

 

I think this is the right thing to do to be honest because it's a mixed bag. We've got the positives of the rise in infections not following through into the worse repercussions but then also the confusing factors of the younger element and a possible underestimation of the lag.

The only way to do it is to be patient and give it more time. Even to the point where when the answer looks obvious still give it a couple more weeks.

It may be difficult though because any hint of the hospitalizations going up and the government will clamp down so we might not actually see the full effects....thankfully.

My concern has always been that if we're overly positive about the effects then people will relax too much. If it truly just is social distancing and hygiene that is keeping a lid on this thing then people becoming more complacent is what will cause the issues so we have to be sure.

 

Do what you think is right, because if you listened to the advice being given you'd end changing your mind every hour of the day. Wear masks, don't wear masks, Go to see families, don't go to see families, go to the gym, can't go to the gym,i'm like you i've had enough of the constant bullshit we're being fed.

 

2988 new cases of covid in last 24 hours. Big big increase that.