COVID-19

Political bias? If I were bias I would say there was nothing wrong with inviting all and sundry over, after all I voted for this lot in the last election because the alternative was far worse. However when they feck up, and they do alot I will not pretend all is well.

 

Why you worrying about it? The fact they've caught the infected people so early shows that the procedures they've put in place work?

If we want them to get back to "business as usual" we can't criticise when to do it and the actual protections they put in place to catch infected people do their job.

 

So what's wrong with inviting countries as you say we want to form better trading relationship with in the future.
You know the game with regards deals being done these counties aren't doing us a favour there will be plenty of things their country benefits from with regards trade deals with the UK.
Apparently the hosting country can invite other like minded countries to the G7 summits along with the member countries.
The two Indian cases were picked up by advance testing and none of the party had attended the summit venue.

 

I'm more annoyed at how they are keeping hospitality jumping through hoops to run a business telling us it is unsafe, whilst at the same time feeling the need to bring in people from all over the world when they could do a virtual meeting.

I want things open and back to normal so if they deem it safe to drag someone from halfway across the world for a meeting, then they can get pubs and restaurants back open rather than squeezing the life out of them then posing in one for a pre election photoshoot.

 

I take your point but I'm going to assume that you recogise the difference between having 200 people go through a tightly controlled screening process for the purpose of having relatively important meetings on global collaboration as opposedt to letting 5 million people turn up in the pub though. There's no equivalence.

There are things to be annoyed about - and I'm feeling quite giddy about hospitality being let loose again - but this just isn't it.

Yeah, they could do a virtual meeting, so could we all until the end of days in theory......but get stuff back to normal and don't criticise when the boundaries are pushed to bring normality back and then cases are found. That's exactly what the procedures are there for. The criticism for stuff like this is exactly why we end up with them being petrified to actually try and push things forward.

 

I cant disagree with most of that, not sure about dragging someone from halfway around the world comment, but we've seen the critism from many when in the past they have deemed the government lagging behind other countries, most in the EU being put forward as examples up until the vaccine fiasco.
The government have said when they hope to take the next step forward, if the relaxing of lockdown shows no major problems then 21st June is 5 weeks away and one of the leading scientists quoted last night he doesnt expect another lockdown in England yes its hard for businesses but it would be a darn sight harder if this virus was to flare-up because we tried to rush back to some forms of normality.

 

It's madness. How come these people weren't tested before being allowed to board the plane, like everyone else is?

It's blindingly obvious what this is about. The UK government is desperate to keep India sweet because it so badly needs a post Brexit trade deal with them. Hence the invitation. Johnson recently delayed (surprise surprise) cancelling his visit to India for a second time, until it was unfeasible to go ahead, in an attempt to not piss off Modi. He is now risking the wider spread of variants in his desperation to keep India happy.

 

Of course deals outside the crumbling EU have to be done, just as we did pre the Common Market days.
Do you really believe that, we've had strains from all over the world and dealt with them but let's make a mountain out of a molehill just for the devilment, I'd have thought you would be more worried with regards the Tories taking Hartlepool, putting an avid remainer in as the Labour candidate, do the Labour Party ever learn or take notice of their constituents.

 

Where does it say they weren't tested before boarding the plane? Even if they weren't the process worked!.

Yes we invited 4 or 5 other countries (not just India) to participate alongside the G7. I can't for the life of me see why that's a bad thing. It's weird that people who valued close ties with European countries get mad when try to have closer ties across the world. It makes no sense.

 

They must have been using some really crappy tests then, if half the delegation tested false negatives.
I've no problem with us having closer ties across the world. But it's pretty sickening to see the lengths that Johnson & co will go to to suck up to a nasty Hindu supremacist, islamophobic, would-be dictator like Modi in their desperation to make Brexit look economically beneficial.

 

What has this got to do with the Labour Party? That's a whole different debate. I'm well aware that the LP is going to get trashed in today's elections. Rebuilding it is going to take a lot longer than a year.

 

For years both the Labour/Tory Party have sucked up to the likes of Saudi Arabia and the likes with no problem, selling them weapons training their military and pilots ETC, and lets not forget our dealings with the likes of a Russia and China, half the property in London is owned by foreign oligarchs.

 

The last bit was just a leg pull mate, but the other comments are correct we have been dealing with various forms of the virus from day one, strains brought in and we've coped very well identifying the carriers and making them isolate.

 

The definitely tested apparently - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/indian-delegation-at-g7-in-london-forced-to-self-isolate-for-covid - assum it's just the standard PCR tests.

The fact that they can get it between the tests, or could just not be infected enough to show an initial positive result, is exactly why they do further tests once they're hear. This is a good thing!

You might view it as "sucking up" but I'm always very happy to widen our global cooperation, even with people who don't really fit our ideals. The expanding world doesn't allow for that.

 

Really?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/06/new-concerns-indian-covid-variant-clusters-found-across-england-ongoing-risk-high?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

That's one way of looking at it. The other is that we have queered our pitch with the relatively progressive, democratic, socially liberal countries of western Europe and are now, therefore, heavily dependent on making deals with far less savoury regimes much further afield.
From all sorts of perspectives - human rights, environmental, basic commonsense - this seems to me to be a massive retrograde step.

 

Yes really you've just sent a link that backs up what I posted "we have been dealing with various forms of the virus from day one, strains brought in and we've coped very well identifying the carriers and making them isolate".

 

Did you miss my https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/corona-virus.3663/page-487#post-494261 post, your above has been going on for years certainly as long as I can remember, because it brings in vast amounts of money to the exchequer we turn a blind eye.

 

I know. But being out of the EU makes us much more reliant on sucking up to dodgy regimes than we were before. There are degrees of badness, and this makes it worse.

 

Eh? Did you read the article? It quotes a string of medical experts saying the Indian variant is now spreading in the community, is likely to become the dominant strain soon and that the government should be doing more now instead of just keeping it under review (as per its usual pattern of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted).
It's pretty much the exact opposite of what you said.