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Club for sale etc.

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Norman Corner, Oct 20, 2023.

  1. JimmyBantam

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    It depends on the scale of investment. Measured risk can be taken, e.g. pump a little extra in which does not jeopardise the clubs future but gives them a slight advantage in the market. If it fails to secure the promotion it intended to fund you can sit on the loss for a while and hope the extra investment at least laid a strong foundation for a promotion push the following season.

    Perhaps not the true definition of a sustainable business model, but certainly not high risk.

    P.S. I also personally think there us nothing wrong with the clubs budget as it is by the way. It's very competitive for League 2 and sufficient to build a promotion winning team. How it has been spent on the other hand is another matter.
     
  2. Captain Grumpy

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    Fordy has moaned about everyone at City for years. He was desperate to get Mason out years ago.
     
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  3. Rogered Tart

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    Exactly. It's always an advantage to have a bigger budget than others, generally the correlation between a better budget and success is a positive. But i'd guess apart from the likes of Wrexham that the gap between the majority of clubs budgets in this division isn't that big as to make that much difference to the quality of your playing squad. Its more about players being brought in to fit a managers needs. This phrase ' competitve budget' doesn't really mean anything, just hot air.
     
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  4. Dennis

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    When Deloittes publish their review of football every two years, one of the points they make consistently is that the single biggest variable in club performance is the correlation between the playing budget and success. That's the case whether it's the elite level of European football or the lower levels. That correlation reduces as you move down the football pyramids. Big playing budgets are no guarantee of success but a club has a better chance of success with a bigger budget than with a smaller one!

    A few years ago in Parky's days, I recall ML saying they'd provided Parky with a 'competitive' budget whatever that might mean. Somebody I know managed to get hold of a copy of the SCMP letter which every club receives just after the transfer window closes and provides information on clubs' playing budgets, all done anonymously of course. It was a hand-written annotated copy with many clubs identified. He worked out that our 'competive' budget was in reality a mid table budget - by definition, competitive with other mid table clubs! ML was challenged on this and finally acknowledged that ours was 10th or 11th in scale. When I hear posters still refer to having a competitive budget, I am reminded of what ML had said. It's just a way of avoiding more difficult questions and some still fall for it.
     
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  5. Kevin1954

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  6. Kevin1954

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    By definition “ Competitive” in the sense being used means absolutely nothing. Meaningless spin. Compared to who, what, how?
     
  7. Kevin1954

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    He’s not happy unless he’s moaning, mostly fact free moaning. Over 20 years you are bound to get something right, however, the message is clear.

    Top of the league with little investment Fordys message wouldn’t change because instead of being 3 points clear “ we should be 15 points clear but because Rupp is a tight arse and Sparks is 12 years old we are a failing club”

    Read him like a tattered book! ;)
     
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  8. Onside

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    All fans should read this. It is funny because last season a couple of months in, I actually thought, well we haven’t pushed the boat out, despite quotes that our budget was top wack. The players we had didn’t quite seem up to it. However, recruitment is key, and maybe if we had ploughed money into the recruiter rather than all going into players we would have done better. Then the manager was not used to players at this level.
     
  9. Dennis

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    I agree with most of that but I'm not sure that the poor recruitment is Gent's sole responsibility. Sparks said in a radio interview that it was up to Hughes to identify the types of player he wanted to fit into the squad and play in the manner he wanted. Gent's role was to identify some potential candidates who would meet Hughes' requirement. I remain to be convinced that he was particularly adept at this. But at the end of the day, it was the manager's responsibilty to appoint those he wanted; he controlled the budget and he was accountable for the team's performances and results. I suspect had we been promoted with a better squad, we'd have been applauding Mark Hughes' Bradford Army and not Stephen Gent's Bradford Army ;)
     
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  10. bailiff bridge bantam

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    Just add “competitive budget” to all the other meaningless guff that comes out of the club.
    “Not accepting mediocrity”
    “Leaner and meaner squad”
    “Players with the right character”

    I know it’s just generic management speak but don’t be surprised if the fans use it to ridicule you when it’s shown up to be absolute nonsense.

    Stuff like that has a habit of coming back to bite you on the arse.
     
  11. Onside

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    I agree, we can’t let Mark Hughes off the hook. I still think his type of football was not easy this low down the pecking order. Finding players we could afford must have been a nightmare. Let alone finding players who could either adapt or were skilled enough to play this style with ease. It left us short in many key areas. He was stubborn and wanted his own way. He would have been better adapting to a 442 or a hybrid of that system he would have found plenty of players, we also might have had good strikers now if he had.
     
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  12. Rogered Tart

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    Thanks for wording it better than i could have Dennis, that describes my points down to a tee. At lower levels the scale of economics mean a better budget in league 2 equates to effectively a few hundred quid on each wage packet. Not enough to make as much of a difference than a club with a lower budget but with a better run organisation. Especially taking into account living in different areas of the country or being nearer family etc.
     
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    Hughes blew the budget. It’s not all about budget at this level but it does take something remarkable higher up the leagues to break the correlation. Luton Town was a fantastic example of that last season getting out of the Championship with the third(?) lowest budget in their league.
     
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  14. Petrov

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    Don't forget the classic after Adams was announced as manager, 'anything less than promotion will be seen as failure'. Three seasons later and here we still are.
     
  15. Rogered Tart

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    It seems Gents stock goes up or down dependant on whether we have won or lost at the weekend. I'm not Sparks biggest fan, he talks too much like David Brent, but he can't be blamed for Hughes and Gent not singing off the same hymn sheet. Ultimately the blame of failure with the playing squad rests with the manager.
     
  16. Fordy117

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    Well he can. Sparks should‘ve got them on the same page.

    On football matters Sparks is failing and that’s clear. Here we go again, trying to trust a man that has got it wrong, over and over again.
     
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  17. Petrov

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    You're right, Hughes shouldn't be let off the hook but neither should the person signing these deals off.
     
  18. bailiff bridge bantam

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    And I’m sure other posters can think of a few more.
     
  19. Rogered Tart

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    Its like you employing folk for your 'car wash' then having to teach them how to clean cars.
     
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  20. Onside

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    If you think back to when we appointed MH among the ramataz there was genuine worry from “just fans” that his knowledge of lower league football was non existent. So employed a side kick who had experience of lower leagues and apparently set piece specialist “cough” however we had no knowledge of his stuburness where his word was law. Or his social skills, ie unable to find a way to talk to players and I still confidence, or just a spoonful of Stuart’s ease with players.
     
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