Bring back Stuart! (Now with Poll)

this is true, since stuart they have done really well. prior to stuart they were not considered the 3rd team in Scotland. hence why he broke war time records. Some of the youngsters from the academy that was set up have moved to bigger and better things. Alan Burrows deserves massive credit as does leann dempster and weir. A great club is motherwell.

‘McCall , who was appointed in December 2010 and was the second longest serving manager in Scottish senior football (after Forfar bos s Dick Campbell) informed the board of his decision late this afternoon.

‘The 40-times capped former Scotland midfielder has overseen a period of incredible success at Fir Park, including taking Motherwell into the Scottish Cup Final in 2011, then three ‘Best of the Rest’ finishes in the Scottish top flight.

‘As manager, he smashed a number of long-standing records, including for games won, goals scored, clean sheets and points accumulated; the 50-year old also led Motherwell into the UEFA Champions League for the first and only time back in 2012

add this to what he done here regards play off position, points per game, win ratios, undefeated at home etc and taking us to wembley then i think its really unfair to say he is not a good manager. Who since has done better? His football is not sore on the eye either.

 

you have to take person's whole career into consideration, not to would be foolish - including looking at his track record of signings.

would you take Doyle back? if we're only looking at certain aspects of a career, rather than a career as a whole then a striker that scores 22 goals in 23 games should be high on our list of priorities.

you can't just look at individual parts of a person's career, you look at the career as a whole.

would you like Harold Shipman as your doctor? undoubtedly he probably did some good in his career, let's just skip the other stuff.

 

ok even doing his career stats rather than his period here it is 39.7%

bowyers is 35% and parkys is 36.5%

so even his career stats are better, it looks some dont rate him thats fine but its hard to say hes a shit manager. His record says otherwise.

its getting really tiresome now. why not say you dont like his football, you dont like him as a person etc. you just dont want him back etc. Saying he has not achieved is not really on, is it?

why not run a poll asking if McCall's football was better or worse than what we have been witnessing since? including numerous managers both novice and experienced. I will leave it at that, would rather debate on the future than the past.

 

I think you are missing the main points.

1. I believe his won percentage is very close to his lost percentage which generally suggests mid table.

2. He has admitted on 3 separate occasions, when the going got tough, that he did not know how to resolve the situation. By resigning at Bradford, first time, and Motherwell and by publically stating so in his second stint with us.

3. But more crucially. He has never managed a promotion or a good cup run in England. Even with acknowledged excellent budgets in the two stints (Second season first time round) with us we found ourselves no further forward from where he started his reigns.

This suggests he cannot get teams ‘over the line’.

4. Poor performance at Scunthorpe where he was backed fully but still couldn’t deliver.

I genuinely think there is too much heart and not enough head for many on here to allow an objective measurement of McCall.

Percentages aside, glowing eulogies aside. He has been fired twice (Scunthorpe and us), resigned before he was fired (us), resigned as team was second bottom (Motherwell). Not offered the Rangers job full time and recently interviewed for but was turned down for the Hearts job.

So everyone else is wrong. We are right?

 

oh we are now adding another new factor into career stats, in england (scotland is air brushed from his managerial cv). No more posting on this. As soon as you put up a responce it is challenged by a new factor.

 

well put, just boils my piss when so many are keen to call him a poor manager when his stats say different. And yet back constant shit owners, manager that dont deserve to be backed,.

Also not really fair asking for a 2nd yes on a poll.

should be no, yes, or undecided.

 

His win rate is good. But he hasn't really achieved anything and leaves clubs in no better league position than when he found them. That's the McCall career dichotomy. If you want to have a manager who does okay generally but doesn't actually get anywhere in the end or give you any successful big game memories then McCall is your man.

Keeping going on about his win rate is missing the point. Nobody has said it's bad but it doesn't relate to the issues that people have with him.

Having a good win rate doesn't make you a good manager......Peter Taylor had a good win rate. Ole Solskjear has a good win rate. It's not proof.

His whole career discussion comes down to whether you rate finishing above St Johnstone, Caley Thistle, Ross County, Dundee United and Aberdeen as a great achievement and how much weight you put on the flawed statistic of "win rate".

 

haha, calm down dear. you're definitely a McCall family member aren't you?

he does have a 39% win ratio, he also has a 38% loss ratio which is higher than both Parkinson and Bowyer.

infact when you look at each individuals win, draw loss percentage and base it on 100 games there's actually very little between all three;

- Gary Bowyer; W 35% D 35% L 30%. over 100 games would = 140 points.
- Phil Parkinson; W 37% D 28% L 34%. over 100 games would = 139 points.
- Stuart McCall; W 39% D 23% L 38%. over 100 games would = 140 points.

so, yes may see more wins (4%) but you'd see nearly 10% more losses under McCall than under Bowyer. the brand of football may be easier on the eye, but evidently it would get us to the same place but just losing more games of football. h

however 'nice' the football was, I certainly didn't enjoy leaving Valley Parade getting beaten 4-1 by AFC Wimbledon and it was just as frustrating then as it is now not being able to break teams down. how long would pretty football last with no reward? the natives wouldn't stand for that for very long.

over a 46 game season you're looking at roughly 64 points each.

 

Aberdeen's budgets:
2013 £5.3m
2014 £6.1m

I think it would be a struggle for the Motherwell budget to be 5 times less, either of those years.

Here are the wage budgets from 2017 with Aberdeen's wage budget being around 3x that of Motherwell...

(World ranking/Average annual spend/Average weekly wage)

203 - Celtic - £735,040 / £14,135
256 - Rangers - £329,600 / £6,338
313 - Aberdeen - £136,382 / £2,623
316 - Hearts - £95,514 / £1,837
318 - Hibs - £87,100 / £1,675
334 - Dundee - £59,904 / £1,152
337 - Partick Thistle - £58,175 / £1,119
338 - Ross County - £56,394 / £1,085
341 - Kilmarnock - £55,100 / £1,060
346 - St Johnstone - £47,992 / £923
347 - Motherwell - £42,662 / £820
348 - Hamilton - £41,488 / £798

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15686552.survey-reveals-stark-financial-gap-between-celtics-wage-budget-and-the-rest-of-scottish-premiership/

 

this board certainly dont rate mccall.

i would have him back in a heart beat.

but must agree as i think im alone in this and others would rather have something different.

fair enough.

 

I suppose the question is if Bowyer gets us to the Play Off final (as unlikely as that might be) and loses does that mean that he is on par with McCall? If he wins, better than McCall?

I am not backing the owners. I am not backing Bowyer. I am asking if McCall is the right choice and stating I don’t think he is.

My view is that he is a very average manager who gets given much more leeway because of his historical connection the the club.

On the one hand we complain that City needs to be run like a business and have more investment then on the other demand we appoint, to the single most important post in the club, a person who has a CV full of partial success and full on failure, because he loves the club and is our hero!

 

I must have been to a different stadium to some that season. Thoroughly enjoyed coming to Valley Parade under McCall his first season back. The place was bouncing and the feel good factor was top notch. Who can forget the atmospheres against Sheffield and Bolton, makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up thinking about it.

 

Wasn't it Rhodes who recommended Stuart to Edin in the first place?

 

Night and day compared to the morgue VP is now under this clown.

 

thats just nonsense, it really is.

average managers dont break war time records or win managers of the year.

im out this time, let you lot hook another.

 

you don't get promotion on atmosphere.

 

They do sometimes. Mixu Paatelainen and John Hughes have won manager of the year in Scotland and I don't tink anyone would claim they were good managers or that we should have them here.

 

The quality in that Sheff United 3-3 could've easily been a top end Championship game. Was some game. Won't see quality like that for a while. Remember how much control we had of games and wave after wave of attack? Couldn't be further away from it at this moment