Brexit

Yes have been out of the country a lot but tend to mix with grown ups who know and respect the UK hugely and know that when world troubles and disasters arise it is the UK at the forefront of help round the world especially our brilliant armed forces who deserve all the credit we can give them, And of course apart from the disgraceful snowflakes who want the rights but someone else to fight for them we should be proud to stand up and respect our flag, Perhaps you could make that comment to the relatives and dead of two world wars who gave their future for the right for you to post your bile drivel.

 

Ha ha Ha what you really mean is 1-0 to @trevor who researches before posting rather than false opinions and fake news,
Move on sonny

 

The bloke sums up everything is wrong with the remain argument. If they have no point they resort to abuse, I'm more surprised he's carrying on after some of his posts.

 

I went to Croatia and Poland twice last year and they weren't laughing mate. Countries on mainland Europe have way more important problems to deal with than worrying about us leaving the EU.

 

Why are you blethering on about World Wars and armed forces when we're talking about economic realities? Of course Britain has an international reputation for supporting others and for economic and political good sense. But Brexit is rapidly eroding it and turning us into an international joke.

I was born in the mid 50s, near London. My mum lived through the blitz. Several of my family served in WW2. My uncle was booby trapped and suffered blackouts for the rest of his life as a result. My aunt lost her fiance in WW2. My grandad had his arm blown off in the trenches at Ypres. My home town was frequently bombed and the impact was visible well into the 1960s. So I'm very well aware of the courage and the sacrifices that were made, because I grew up in the aftermath of WW2 and its legacy permeated my childhood.

I have the utmost respect for the generations who fought to preserve our freedoms, unlike the Brexiteer thugs who openly paraded their neo-Nazi insignia through London, in front of Farage and Tommy Robinson, seemingly unaware that our parents fought WW2 precisely to save us from people like them.

My previous post lampooned the nostalgic, Rule Britannia mentality (based on a vision of the Britain that once ruled the waves and half the world) that is out of touch with modern realities. It's perfectly possible to value one's country and respect the need for robust defence of democratic freedoms without all that nauseating deference to royalty and flag-worshipping. But, like most right wingers, you don't distinguish the two things. So if I don't sign up to all the ceremonial claptrap and outdated ideas of British exceptionalism then I must be a hypocritical pacifist snowflake. Wrong.

And as for your childish 'grown-ups' jibe, the people I talk to abroad are just ordinary adults who are nonplussed at what we are doing to ourselves.
Maybe you think a man who was twice elected to be Australian Prime Minister isn't a grown up? He certainly doesn't share your optimism about our economic prospects in isolation. And, of course, this is just one of numerous such examples I could find with about five minutes googling.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-trade-commonwealth-kevin-rudd-australia-a8818996.html

 

On the contrary you cant argue with an idiot.

So far I have asked several questions about your guys theories around brexits potential success all of which have gone unanswered. @trevor has done a good job of avoiding my questions and making unrelated points.

I have made several points all of which have been thoroughly researched. In fact in 2006 I wrote a thesis on EU institutions as part of my degree in History and Politics. I think im more informed than you, him or most people but these days evidence based research is something to be untrusted i suppose.

My unanswered point about FDI - How can a market of 60million people replace the investment that is earned into a 500million strong market - heres some research and hard evidence - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/cp470.pdf

heres a quote from trevor...

Then here is a quote where he contradicts himself

On one hand we are the powerless victim and the other we are apparently stronger than any nation that has ever existed.

You know it doesnt take much to debunk half of the stuff he says but whats the point? But heres a little more for you...

The UK was on the winning side in the European Union council in four out of five votes in the run-up to the Brexit referendum - heres the evidence - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/13/britain-voted-with-the-majority-of-the-rest-of-the-eu-in-run-up-to-referendum

Should we be on the winning side 5 out of 5 times is that what happens when in a membership of an organisation?

Then the point about resorting to insults... well

I call that resorting to abuse, remainers are not sensible they are whimpy. According to Trev its tough and manly to want to push the country into being the only country with no trade deals. Working on WTO in a time when USA and China are becoming protectionist blocks. I call it ignorant and selfish.

And then something a lot of people would laugh with me at is his signature

"The cure for ignorance is knowledge. There is no cure for stupidity."

 

Trevor sits and espouses the virtues of the men who fought ww1 and ww2 as though they would be brexiteers. Forgetting the notion that we went to war and spilt blood for europeans. Its laughable.

All from a man who probably didnt fight in ww2 and has probably never fought at all for the country. I could be wrong. But its sickening to see the sacrifice of our soldiers being used to promote an agenda that has more roots in fascism than it does in the virtues of the BEF.

But then he does make one good point...

"The cure for ignorance is knowledge. There is no cure for stupidity."

 

And he ignores the fundamental purpose of the EU, which is to maintain peace in Europe. Western European countries had been consistently at war with each other in various combinations for at least the last thousand years. The cooperative ethos of the EU has created and maintained an unprecedented 70 years of peace between its previously warring member states. For that alone it has been a raging success.

 

Point proven,

 

The purpose of the EU is now a political union with the ultimate aim of becoming one European state controlled by the centre, Your premise that the EU has prevented war has some merit and is only part of the story as the fact that nuclear weapons are now in existence is also a factor but the main reason is that most of the EU is in NATO where no country is allowed to attack another and all come to the aid of each other, I would suggest this is the main reason for peace for the last 70 years,

 

I did no such thing and as usual you twist things I never said then berate me for YOUR false claims, As usual you pick selected comments and take them out of context to promote your own view, It is a common practice of the left in politics to do this,

 

The way this country has been run for the past few decades, in principle the above might not be a bad idea. This idea of giving us 'our country back' lol. Since when has it ever been 'our country'? What exactly are we being 'given back'? Pretty much every public service falling apart at the seams, public transport a joke while prices are amongst if not the highest in Europe, privatised national utilities ripping off the public. The list is a long one.
So what exactly are we getting back?

 

***WINNER***

 

As usual you pick selected parts from a post and then take them out of context to twist them to promote your post, It is a waste of time replying in the future as it is obvious that you are not interested in factual debate and only insults when proved wrong, Nothing you have posted replies to the facts I provided it just picks the bits you can twist in to a fake news reply,
If in fact you have got degrees as you state I suggest you try get your money back as it has been a waste of education and passed over you, One of the essential parts of a degree is to research the subject, Test the evidence, Take evidence from the alternative view and then formulate a response, It seems you missed that class

 

Interesting that you edited my comment Denis when this bloke is running riot calling people idiots and his post is still the same.

 

Stability? Europe? Deary me.