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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66237935

Some in the car industry have described the plant as the most important investment in UK automotive since Nissan came to Britain in the 1980s.

The investment could lead to the creation of up to 9,000 jobs around Bridgwater in Somerset. But its significance lies in the boost it will give to the car manufacturing sector as it transitions from petrol and diesel to making electric vehicles.

 

You know how all governments play the game with BIG business, its hardy unique to the UK.

 

It doesn't seem to be a problem with the Tata Group they had a rival site in Spain but chose the UK, that's confirming brexit is a disaster, I'd say it's exactly the opposite in this case or they would have gone for Spain which is i the EU.

 

This country has been in decline for decades as a big player at the top table, Brexit just quickened the process.

 

I don't know how any party can turn it around Sunak sacking Minister because they will give him a hard time with regards NI.

 

As I've posted its nothing new, we did it with Nisson at Sunderland years ago even when we were in the EU.

 

How much is the duty bearing in mind we have a duty free trade agreement with the EU

 

Who'd have thought it, the EU looking like they may try to follow the UK route with regards the processing of Economic migrants claim for asylum, even they now realise the influx of these Economic migrants is unsustainable.

"The idea of processing asylum applications in non-European countries is becoming increasingly attractive to several member states".

EU countries call for UK-style ‘Rwanda model' as bloc expects million plus asylum bids (msn.com)

 

How to blow your chances of winning the next General Election, as the song goes "it started with a kiss", can Labour be trusted with regards not rejoining the EU even though Starmer says it will not be in the Labour manifesto for the next General Election.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-wants-new-eu-links-in-a-reset-of-british-foreign-policy/ar-AA1gOToF?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=bdf3ace651854dc499fd10777846f156&ei=9

Labour will not say how many migrants it would accept in EU returns deal (msn.com)

David Lammy proposes reset of foreign policy to strength Britain's EU ties (msn.com)

 

Starmer has made it crystal clear that he has no intention of rejoining the EU or the single market. He knows perfectly well that he needs to win back Red Wall seats to win the next General Election and to retain them to secure a second term. Even though Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster from every point of view (from immigration to business bankruptcies due to export bureaucracy) Starmer is not stupid enough to renege on it all the while there are enough people like you around in northern seats who still think it was a good idea. That will change eventually, as more and more people gradually come to recognise all the negatives of Brexit (see article below for an explanation of just some of them) and as the, mostly older, people who voted for Brexit become a smaller proportion of the electorate..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/15/small-boats-industry-science-brexit-made-our-lives-worse?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

All the polls show that a majority of the electorate now believes that Brexit was a mistake. And it's abundantly clear that a majority of people under 50 think Brexit was a bad idea, including most of those who weren't old enough to vote in the referendum but now are. Also, don't forget that huge swathes of southern England, including many of the Blue Wall Tory seats that Labour is now targeting, voted Remain by a clear margin. Far from being an electoral liability, most of those people welcome closer working arrangements with Europe, even though they recognise that rejoining is not a viable option now and won't be for at least a decade to come.

 

His lasted stunt is he's going back to get a better deal from the EU whilst not being in the Single Market or Customs Union does the man take the electorate for fools, you keep repeating the above, it will be interesting to see if they get off the arses and vote as that certainly wasn't the case in the last General Election when it was crystal clear the only party that was going to deliver brexit were there Tories and as we know won with an overwhelming majority.
He says he's going to get more cooperation from the EU with regards immigration, France are getting well paid to stop the small boats and anyone with a brain cell can see that's not working, (I'd say France are taking the p1ss) why would they stop economic migrants leaving France its not their problem any more once they leave even making sure they get into British waters for our Border Force to take over, plus if he did get any sort of deal the quota the EU would want the UK to take could actually be more than the boat people the way Italy are struggling with migrants.
I was hoping I could return to Labour but not on what I'm seeing and hearing so far once again big talk until their asked to put figures and numbers to their promises, like it or not immigration will be the top of the agenda which is a shame as it should be the state the British economy, the NHS and crime.

Here's a piece from your favourite paper
Keir Starmer commits to rewriting Brexit deal if Labour wins election (msn.com)

Do you believe he can get a better deal from the EU without being in the Single Market/Customs Union why would they give Labour a better deal.

 

I don't think there'll be anything drastic. It's about making things a bit easier around the margins. In part it's about attitudes. The EU see the Tories as very anti-EU which, of course, most of them are. Whereas the vast majority of Labour MPs/potential future ministers were Remainers who believe that Brexit was a terrible idea. It doesn't take a genius to work out that the EU is likely to be more cooperative, less awkward, and better disposed towards a government made up of those who would rather we were still in the EU than it is towards the current UK government, which it sees as largely hostile and difficult.

 

So you won't vote labour because you think bAsed on zero evidence that labour will try go back to the EU. You would rather the country be run into the gutter? A continuation of the disaster capitalism we see laid bare every day?

How can that be it baffles me?

Labour won't return to the EU noone will. Not anyone who manages to gain power anyway.

Think you need to forget the EU being this big baddy that ruined your existence. We aren't going back. So maybe grown adults like you could change their opinions of our closest neighbour and actually work with them instead of treating them as enemies.

 

What a strange post please show me where I've said Starmer will try and get back into the EU, in fact I've stated Starmer has said Labour would not try and rejoin.
Do stop your personal attacks @Offcomedun and myself may not agree with regards the referendum and many other things but we do not lower ourselves to personal attacks.
When you post with a little more respect I'll debate with you until then don't involve me in your nonsense replies, read my post again with regards the money we are paying France to stop the boats, which clearly they aren't doing, so that suggests they prefer to allow smuggling gangs and traffickers to get away with it, something the EU say they want to stamp out, unless of course it becomes less of a problem for France then they'll turn a blind eye.

 

Having spent the last eight years or so being slagged off by most of the Tory party and most of its current ministers, the EU is, quite understandably, in no mood to cut Britain any slack or do our current government any favours. We all know that there is usually wriggle room for interpretation of rules. But they warned us that there would be consequences to leaving the EU and so it’s no surprise that they have taken a hard line on most things.

I’ve no idea what the outcome of Starmer’s talks with the EU will be. But it’s crystal clear that a government headed by Starmer would have much warmer, more cooperative relations with the EU than the Tories currently have, Without the anti-EU baggage of the current government they’re much more likely to be able to negotiate compromise agreements and/or less officious implementation of rules. They’re also more likely to get better cooperation over issues like the boat crossings.

But there is no way that we’ll get cooperation on boat crossings unless we’re prepared to take our fair share of genuine asylum seekers. Only by agreeing proper safe routes and a fair quota of genuine cases will we get the necessary cooperation to help combat the gangs and weed out the bogus cases. If we simply expect the southern and southeastern European states to take all the genuine people fleeing persecution in Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan then why would they be motivated to help us out? It has to be a quid pro quo.

 

That’s your opinion. But it’s not what the majority of the country thinks. If we’d done all the things the hardline Brexiteers wanted we’d be even further up shit creek than we already are.