BRADFORD'S Bouncing Backwards!

bantamlad92, your arguments get weaker and weaker...........and more implicitly racist as you go on and on and on.............I walk through both city centres regularly. What is your point? Why don't you just say that there are more brown people in Bradford and have done with it? You appear to making a huge mental leap from the colour of the population's skin to the success or otherwise of the local football team. It is NOTHING to do with it. Have a walk around Leicester. I seem to recall that they are in the Premiership and I hear tell that they won it recently. Just man up and admit that you are a racist.

 

Bradford has had major issues with mass immigration and excessive multiculturalism. You’re deluding yourself if you think that’s not true.

It is not racist and ignorant as you suggest, it’s called the real world and real life. Apologies if that upsets you.

 

Any potential investor would be investing in Bradford City and not the City of Bradford. There are plenty of clubs that are situated in shithole's but still attract investment.

 

No erudite response about Leicester then? Why am I not surprised? Goodbye eejit. Not discussing this with a racist moron any longer.

 

That’s utterly absurd and you’re starting to sound crazy. Nobody is mentioning anything about people’s skin colour being an issue apart from you.

Immigration is a good thing, whereas excessive multiculturalism doesn’t necessarily work.

Not everybody is a fan of mass immigration you know, a recent referendum will tell you that.

 

I fully support immigration, fully. I am the son of an immigrant.

However I am willing to acknowledge that it can have consequences that are not ALL beneficial.

But if we as a country/city/town/village etc are unwilling to accept that mass immigration to anywhere can cause problems and, crucially, accept and discuss those problems in an open manner without having the racist card thrown out every time then we have no way of moving forward.

 

My entire family are immigrants to the UK.

Problem is, with some people, you even mention the word “immigration” or “multiculturalism” and people blindly call you a racist. Almost trying to shut down the debate because you mentioned a taboo word.

My parents are foreign immigrants to the country so if I want to discuss issues and consequences as a result of excessive immigration and/or multiculturalism then I should be able to do so without getting laughably accused of being something I’m absolutely not.

Anybody should be able to discuss it but unfortunately it’s such a taboo subject in this day and age.

 

You have a point regarding the decline of Bradford as a city but your link to multiculturalism is wrong. Mass immigration of low skilled workers has gone in Bradford for decades, right back to before the turn of the century, many of them of Irish and Polish descent. It is nothing new.

There is a good discussion as to what the perceived merits of multiculturalism are but thats for another day.

 

Out of interest rhino what area do you live ?

 

Probably well out of Bradford in a majority White area.

 

I might not agree with you on every aspect but you may have some valid points regarding multiculturalism and the decline of of Bradford in general. Linking multiculturalism in with the decline of the football team makes you look like a complete tool though. You're yet to provide any substance to your argument and for some reason overlook shitholes like Fleetwood, Rotherham etc who have attracted investment as well as multicultural cities such as Leicester, Birmingham and Sheffield who are playing in the Championship or higher and have done for some time.

The link you're trying to make doesn't hold any value. It's a stupid point and you should move on.

 

In addition to the clubs mentioned above, Wolves, Peterborough and Newcastle also appear to be multicultural cities. All of them have either attracted investment, are successful or both
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/may/18/ethnic-population-england-wales

 

I've not said Bradford City and Bradford Bulls are sh*t directly as a result of excessive multiculturalism. You've made this conclusion.

You're picking up on buzzwords such as Multiculturalism and Immigration and forming your own conclusions. This tends to happen when the buzzwords surround a sensitive topic, which the topic of diversity is for many, so that's absolutely fine.

In my opinion, how affluent an area is plays a major factor when it comes to investing in a business or an organisation, or even a Football club. Bradford, in my opinion, is not as attractive as surrounding cities such as Leeds due to the state the City is in. You've admitted yourself that there could be a link between excessive multiculturalism and the decline of Bradford, so in theory it could be argued that it is a domino affect that has impacted our Sports teams - this is the point I am making.

I've no real interest in other 'sh*tholes', nor do I know much about them to make an informed opinion, which is why I've not drawn into that particular sub-debate.

 

Multiculturalism and immigration is good, and perfectly acceptable, to a reasonable level. When it becomes excessive, problems start to arise, and integration occurs less, which causes friction and so forth.

Places such as Peterborough (where I have family), and Wolverhampton which I frequent with work, have societies which are much more cohesive than Bradford and multiculturalism isn't as big an issue as it is in Bradford.

 

I've not jumped to any conclusions. You clearly make the link between the decline of our sport teams and multiculturalism. Are you now denying this?

I know what you're saying and I've given you countless examples of multiculiral cities/places that are not attractive that have attracted investment to completely disprove your theory. For some reason you keep overlooking this.

 

Bradford been a shithole affects eveything from football / rugby / nightlife / restaurants / attractions / jobs / pay etc etc . Why would anyone want to invest here or move here ? Everyone with any common sense is leaving due to all of the above . It’s a dump and mass immigration has played a huge part of that . Its a poor city and is down in the dumps . It’s past repair .

Let’s work our way from the list of teams given

Leicester - Decent town centre with things going on and historic football club
Wolves- stones throw from the second biggest city in england who are expanding there ground to 38000 huge potential
Newcastle - huge crowds massive city centre huge potential
Fleetwood/Rotherham - Carnt really class them towns as having the same issues as the city of Bradford .
Both are run by local business men . I wouldn’t call it outside investment .

Our max crowds will never rise above 25k . We don’t have the city population interested in football and it stops us having any potential . We can do as many promotions to the Asian community as we want and it won’t work . It hasn’t worked previously and see no reason why it will in future .

Anyone who thinks that the above city’s are worse than Bradford do really have they head in the clouds . Just drive up leeds road , bakerend , great Horton road , manningham , white abbey , lidget green and have a good nosey about at how poor these areas are and the Knock on effect it has as a city as whole .

It’s not racist it’s reality . Immigration and constant council Mis spending has all played a part in us not having wealthy investors in the city centre and due to that our sports teams suffer .

 

@Tolly856 - No I'm not denying anything, in the same post I've explained in further depth the links I've made. You seem to be suggesting I've made a direct link between 'w' and 'y', whereas I've suggested that 'w' is a result of 'x', which stems from 'y'.

Also, I've not created any 'theory' that applies to all cities.. I'm merely giving my informed opinion of Bradford.

 

what are you on about? You clearly attribute multiculturism with the decline of our sport teams. When i bring it up, you deny it ever happening. Wierd.

 

Yeah and I’ve explained the link countless times, without denying it once.

I’d recommend not to concern yourself in a debate if you don’t have the intellectual capacity to engage in it properly.

 

you've denied it here mate:

https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/bradfords-bouncing-backwards.2271/page-2#post-190276

"I've not said Bradford City and Bradford Bulls are sh*t directly as a result of excessive multiculturalism. You've made this conclusion.

Which one is it? Have you NOT made the link or have you made the link and "explained it countless times".

You can't have it both ways.

The fact that you're questioning my intellect when you're contradicting yourself in every post and are too thick to notice is hilarious.