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Bradford City Breaking The SAFC Trend.

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Lost Mackem, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Lost Mackem

    Lost Mackem Breakthrough Prospect

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    I hate to say it as it sounds like I'm full of myself, but every team has played like it's their 'Cup Final' and opposition fans have taken their biggest attendances when we've played - whether it be home or away.

    As they've put every ounce of energy into our games, they have tended to lose or draw the next.

    we have played 23 games (inc Accrington Stanley which was called off at 70 minutes) So far, 15 of our opponents have lost their next league fixture. The only ones to win their next game are Charlton, Shrewsbury, Wycombe, Bristol Rovers and now Bradford (obviously). Gillingham & Fleetwood drew and Burton's game at Barnsley was postponed.

    Wycombe have been one of the best teams we've played at home this season, they worked their arses off for the full 90 minutes and barely gave us any breathing space - they then went on to lose to Wimbledon and get hammered off Burton.

    Fleetwood also came up and played well and got a draw. They then went on to get 1 point in their following 4 games.

    Even Portsmouth, Luton and Barnsley lost after playing us. Ridiculous.

    You played well up here and then went on to get an extremely comfortable win, breaking the correlation. Did you play a different side or do you feel like your performance at the SOL was something similar to how you've played all season/in recent games?

    Feel free to discuss as it'd be interesting to know whether you think this is coincidence or not.

    To summarise: here's teams' results after playing us:
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    No coincidence, you happen to have played a rejuvenated Bradford City at the stadium of light. We were worth a point all day long, at Rochdale we were 4-1 to win with some bookies, that was like printing money. Don’t get me wrong, Rochdale weren’t great, we didn’t allow them to be. But now i don’t fear us against any team in the division as there is no stand out teams in the division this season. We would have been competing for the playoffs had we managed to get rid of the clueless ego maniac running our club at the end of last season. We are thankful for small mercies though, he has now gone and we be safe this season as long as we keep our best players fit and at the club.
     
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  3. Bronco

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    Morning @Lost Mackem@Lost Mackem,
    Its something you as a club will have to live with, you're a big club compared with most in this league.
    I know we have the cheap ticket offer but apart from yourselves us and Pompey there aren't many who can get 20,000 for a home game.
    We had a similar situation after our Cup exploits in the Capital One Cup and after our run that season we beat Chelsea and some other Premiership team in the FA Cup, everyone wants to beat you and rather than a crowd of 18/20,000 putting the opposition off many play far better on the day, so my friend its something you and your club will have to live with untill your back in the Championship at least.
     
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  4. Onside

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    We are a good team simples. I realise Sunderland are your team, but I haven’t been overly impressed with them given their resources, you really ought to be smashing this league. As Tarty states we are not frightened of any team in this Division; if we had a good start we would be pushing for autos. Plus we not only deserved a point at your place,we could have all three if the officials had matched up to the professionalism of the football.

    I think you need to dig deeper to test your hypothesis, you would need to know if the same players were playing in the next game, distance between games ie recovery time and to look at the teams who went onto win to see if they match some of the correlations you may discovery. There is also whether the team raised their game at the Stadium of Light, plus were they in form when they came to you or off it.

    Lots to consider before you can say that teams are treating a visit to your place like it is their ‘cup final’ good luck.
     
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  5. Pomfretbantam

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    Did you intentionally not include Sunderland in there @Bronco@Bronco out if politeness.
     
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  6. Lost Mackem

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    I agree, with our resources we should be winning teams even if/when they are upping their game, we've got proven Premier League players like Cattermole and Oviedo, x2 SPL team of the year 17/18 players, Scottish Manager of the Season 17/18.

    However, the turnaround at the club has been incredible and I think a lot are underrating our team based on us being a 'big club'. From not winning at home in 360 calendar days and back-to-back relegations to being 3rd in the league (with 2 games in hand), being 2nd in the 'Home' League Table (undefeated at home), and scoring in every league match is something worth noting.

    I'm not sure about Bradford deserving all 3 points, you had one or two decisions go against you but I thought we deserved the win. Each to their own though.

    I do feel like teams up their game though. Some performances I've seen this season have been incredible, we've been able to match them and win games but it feels like teams and fans are treating it like a derby/big day(/Cup Final) by the way they perform and act. Bradford fans setting off pyros at the stadium, fighting stewards, setting off pyros pre-game in a Bar and Grill Restaurant in Washington just outside of Sunderland etc. (That wasn't me having a go at you, I know it was just a very small minority of 'fans'). Bradford fans were an easy example but loads of teams' fans in this division show up in numbers and make an arse of themselves pre-game.

    I do feel, as do many Sunderland fans that the results after teams play us does show teams step up their game for us. Whether they're playing a different team afterwards or not surely just goes onto show that teams will play a better side against us. It's always good to get an outsider's opinion though, and you all seem to think that Bradford are just in good form, which showed vs Dale. All the best for the Accrington game, I've went for an Accrington win on the Prediction thread but I do hope City can get a result.;)
     
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  7. Damo

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    To be fair their is something in the stats. However might not be the case of opposition stepping up but Sunderland stepping down. Find it easier to play away with less pressure. Not the case this year but SOL has been a poisonous atmosphere in the past
     
  8. Lost Mackem

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    How would Sunderland stepping down increase the chances of the opponent losing their next game (according to the stats).
     
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  9. Bronco

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    Was it Sunderland........senior moment :).
     
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    I think "after the Lord's mayor's show" is the term used when a smaller club plays a big club and gets a result.

    At this level there is a disparency between genuinely "big" clubs down on their luck swimming in a small pond and the traditionally "small" clubs will always look to beat them.If they do get a result they often lose a next winnable game because they did play above normal levels.

    In our FA cup run we were finding a level above ourselves which is why after the Chelsea game we beat you too,because you were another premier team.I think we were not up for the Reading game in the same way,them being a so so championship side.It's all about the incentive to raise your game.Players should always play to their potential but it doesn't happen.The manager who could get the best from his players every game would be a marvel indeed.
     
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  11. Bronco

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    I can't agree with regards the Reading game mate, for me Steve Clarke got his tactics bang on at Valley Parade, he'd seen what we could do against teams that wanted to play football. Reading came with the intention of getting a replay ( unless they could catch us on the break) and got just that and after the first 10 minutes of the replay it was game over.
    Although we tried to kid ourselves by chanting to the Reading fans "we'veI been 2-0 down before" unfortunatly on the night we were second best.
     
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  12. Asafa

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    It's an interesting point and something that I think we have also felt being one of if not the biggest club in the league. Certainly when we were in league 2 the same was said, would be interesting if the same has happened to us in the past.

    With regards to us v Sunderland it may be different. Whilst it is obviously the 'biggest' game of the season it's less likely to affect us. We've played in bigger games in recent years, Chelsea away, Wembley etc. We're used to playing in front of relatively big crowds each week. For me it didn't feel like a massive game, it felt like the sort of match we should be playing in on a regular basis in a higher division. The fact that we took a similar a number of fans to Rochdale away a couple of days later kind of shows that too.

    The Sunderland game was probably our worst performance this month (not that we were particularly bad mind) we could never really get our high pressing game going. We defended well and Sunderland didn't really create much either, only scoring after a mistake from our goalie. If the ref had got some of the major calls right we would have walked away with all 3, let alone a point.

    Good luck to Sunderland, I initially thought you might struggle this season and finish mid table but some good business just before the start of the season has righted the wrongs at the SOL and put you in contention. Probably the best placed team to strengthen in Jan and push for top 2, but I wouldn't go for Payne if I were you. No chance of him being good enough
     
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    I don't know about anyone else but it was a strange situation being in the quarter finals and being drawn at home against (on paper) the most beatable side left in apart from us. Clarke played a defensive game but if you remember as far as the replay was concerned we were beat before we played.They rested their entire team while we travelled the length of the country before travelling down to Reading,was it a Monday night due to tv?

    Mixed feelings about getting the easiest of what was left at home to losing the feeling of beating another Prem team.
     
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    It was a total mismatch they looked fresh as daisy and we looked poor, tired and overawed. I work in Reading and I really disliked their fans during and after that match.
     
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    It all sounds a bit like when you used to go to big clubs like Middlesbrough and Newcastle.
     
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  16. Bronco

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    Yes as you say Reading rested as many as they could, and we were aslo made to play the game before any other replays, us playing a similar line up with Reading having several changes
    I thought we played well at Valley Parade but our luck was out, just as it was with their second goal at their place a deflection, once they were 2-0 they dictated play and we were left chasing the game, not helped when Morias got his straight red after 62 minutes.
     
  17. Interested Bystander

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    and still no doubt
     
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    Didn't it also have something to do with him being able to rest half his team before playing us?
     
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    A fair assessment Bronco,going down to ten men probably sealed it but when deflections go in as well then you know it's not your night.
     
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    Yes, we played our juniors at the SOL
     

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