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Like I said.......
Burning down your own community = wrong
Desire to make your country great and safe = right
Not difficult is it.. ?

 

not enough

 

Hey, don't be embarrassed if it's too difficult for you, it's ok.....

 

The president announced almost a month in advance that there would be a rally on this date, internet activists pointing out exactly what they were going to do, Trump spending all morning geeing them up, egging them on even while it happened and saying how great they are. But yeah, it’s the other other guys out to make them look bad.

 

Yup.

 

No, in the simplistic world view of the right wing authoritarian, they never are.

 

Knickers...well and truly twisted..!!

 

I think prior to that though its going to completely tear the party in two, scenes from today will also do a lot to turn the average person off from trumpism big time.

 

Parler is getting removed from some platforms. From what i understand, it was set up by a member of the Heritage Foundation (Rebekah Mercer), it’s also therefore linked to Cambridge Analytica. Now it looks like it’s a straw man for those nasty commie snowflakes to censor, for their own ultimate benefit. I’d just let them sound off in their own echo chamber tbh, this is exactly what they want. On top of this, using casualties from the other day will not be out of the question, either. Wow, they really are so oppressed. I hope for the sake of the people that died, it was worth it.

 

Unless Twitter has information that he was going to directly invite further violence I don't love this move.

I don't think it's for twitter to decide who gets access to free speech as long as it's within the confines of the law.

It's funny because it's Trump but long term its worrying.

 

Of course Twitter can decide who can post on their platform, it’s a private company operating in a free market, they’re not stopping him going to the nearest street corner and shouting his opinion. People have been banned from here, but no one’s accused the powers of stifling free speech.

 

I think this just gives him chance to play the victim, to be quite honest.

 

Hmmm. I'm not sure here and Twitter have quite the same impact.

The whole role of social media was that it removed the bias of media. But if you can only talk on their platform (or in the case of apple/Google download certain apps) if they agree with you that's a worrying trend.

Of course, breaking the law or inviting people to break the law is different but its a very fine line to tread before it becomes censorship.

 

He's still free to air his opinions, within the law, elsewhere. He's just not allowed to talk shite on Twitter anymore.

 

I understand where you're coming from. This kind of thing does make me uneasy. It feeds into the far right/white supremacist/Trumpist narrative that all the media is left wing and conspiring to censor and marginalise their views (as if Twitter and FB are left wing ).

On the other hand, Trump was spewing out lies about postal voting equating to election fraud months before the election and has kept up a constant stream of lies about election fraud since he lost - despite every credible source dismissing those ideas - which was aimed at and has succeeded in undermining faith in US democracy. And he has been gradually ramping up the rhetoric about 'being strong; fighting back; resisting; showing no weakness' etc and praising those threatening to take the law into their own hands.
How long can you let an unhinged narcissistic sociopath have free reign to incite civil insurrection in order to instigate a coup?

It's a genuine dilemma for social media companies. Do they allow people like Trump to spread lies, undermine the law and deliberately stir up racial hatred - with fatal results, as we saw - or do they get accused of unwarranted censorship?

 

I think it's really tricky. I don't like censorship, but where do you draw the line? Most people would say that terrorists, be they Islamist jihadis or white supremacist neo-nazis, should not be given a platform to recruit, radicalise and organise violent events. So when a President uses his social media to encourage such people to go to the Capitol and challenge the lawful election process by 'fighting back' does that not amount to the same thing?
I think Twitter and FB are genuinely worried that there will be a much more serious incident from Trump supporters, either at Biden's inauguration or in the weeks afterwards - we know there were pipe bombs found - and they are trying to put as much distance between themselves and any such incident as possible.

 

Sticking to just the two events you're focussing on: I don't think it's a case of being over-prepared for the one, but the under-preparation for the other is so striking that it makes the first seem over-the-top.

Allow me to veer off into Structuralism, in which you eliminate what is irrelevant to a story and focus on just the essential actions. E.g. the Flood appears in the Bible, Mesopotamian myth, and Greek myth. Essential points are: i) humans anger a diety (or dieties), ii) the deity wants revenge, iii) revenge means elimination of the humans, iv) there will be designated survivors to repopulate the world. The identity of the humans, gods, or even the method of destruction, are irrelevant in this kind of an analysis.

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i) group "X" intends to hold an event (demonstration/rally/march...)
ii) such an event has the potential for violence against people and criminal damage to property

(You know this for various reasons. i) you've seen it happen before in events involving "X"; ii) you're familiar with the platforms "X" uses to publicise themselves and their objectives; iii) you know that "X" is a mix of types, some of whom are truly innocent of any (desire for) wrongdoing but others of whom are using "X" for their own ends -- I could probably add more here, but you get the picture.)

iii) the event will take place in and around an area of national importance (Capitol Hill)
iv) people of national importance may be affected by the event (members of the national government)
v) suitable preparations must be made for this event

And your job is to make those preparations! What will you do?

Note that at no time have I identified a specific "X"; my points apply equally to both your groups/events.
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Gross incompetence just barely begins to describe the preparations for Wednesday's event. There was enough "chatter" around, publicly available, to suggest that robust defences would be a good idea. And now we learn that reinforcements were offered, but the offers were refused.

Some of those who should have known better are now saying they just didn't believe something like this would happen. I can actually believe that -- it is not within our normal behaviour to expect the head of state and one of his trusty lieutenants (Giuliani) to basically inflame a crowd into a mob and incite a riot against his own government and country! -- but still...

RCB

 

What should worry you more is your whatsapp messages will be sent to Facebook for cross matching to build up a social ID of your online activity

 

I possibly shouldn't laugh but my WhatsApp consist mainly of asking my daughter to do her chores and Facebook likes of nonsense

 

How is brexit even relevant to a far right mob trashing the capitol to the point people were killed, thats just a deflection