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The Pitch…..what can be done about it?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Mar 2, 2024.

  1. AngryGaz

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    Sadly the bastards have us over a barrel and they know that just can never fathom the brains behind the original deal
     
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  2. AngryGaz

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    Maybe Stevenage fans took it up because they have an owner who cares unlike the invisible man
     
  3. Bronco

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    I'm sure there will be many on here who attended this game can anyone tell us where it was played and who against, that's proper rain.

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    The current situation regarding the ground is a Catch 22 for both sides. The Club has no practical or affordable alternative to renting, and is unlikely to in the foreseeable. Without the Club as leaseholder, the ground is redundant and the land I guess will be some of the cheapest you can buy in England, with similar sized plots of brownfield land sitting derelict nearby.

    The hope is the Club can drive a hard bargain on its rent and the weather picks up so this thread is forgotten again until the winter.
     
  5. Faithful Bantam

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    If there were any semblance of ambition and competence across the club, council and the Bulls, there’d be an obvious, joint investment case for building a modern facility for both clubs to use that could include leisure facilities to attract wider business revenue. But therein lies the rub.
     
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  6. Onside

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    Just looked it up. Costs between 1/2 million and a million. They are popular but I imagine they will need specialist maintenance.
     
  7. Tennesseebantam

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    This is from last night apparently. real Salt Lake vs Los Angeles F.C
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  8. Bigrod

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    If the underlying issues were resolved in 2018, and the actual turf looked decent until the end of last year, then the main issue has to be stopping short term extreme weather conditions impacting on the pitch and then exacerbating the wear and tear features.

    From my perspective that is stopping too much water soaking into the pitch. Modern, effective covers, which are inflated and provide a simple dome would protect the pitch from flooding. It is a lot cheaper to provide soakways, gulleys on the edge of the pitch which connect to main drains. Like the sprinkler systems they could be covered over just before the match started.

    With frosts forecast, then again the covers could be inflated and some warm air circulated. Yes there will be cost, but the cost of late cancellation of matches must run to the tens of thousands.

    Expect to see a drop of say 2,000 plus from City POTD and Notts County fans seeking a refund. That in simple terms will be a loss of £40,000+ to the club. There will be other costs with a late cancellation, l am sure that the stewards, catering staff, food, loss pro rata in other sales on a match day will mean City will have lost out on a sizeable income.

    l posted earlier a ground cover system once again, here is a testimony of the system working.
    This is one of many occasions that the ‘Moors’ have used the air roller covers to make sure matches were played on time, fixtures that otherwise would need to be re-scheduled with all the costs and potential loss of revenue that entails.

    Spennymoor Town FC play in the Vanarama Conference League North, the sixth tier of English football.

    Located in the hills of County Durham the town gets more than its fair share of snow, ice, and plenty of rain during winter. The football club had struggled for years with many matches postponed at their home ground of Brewery Field because of waterlogged and frozen pitches. Determined to act and alleviate the problem the club purchased set of waterproof Matchsaver Air Roller Covers in December 2018.

    If Spennymoor can afford to purchase and run the system, then surely City can? Sometimes the mantra of cost, is touted too loudly! The old saying of ‘Penny wise, pound foolish’, comes to mind.
     
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  9. wetherbywhaler

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    Come on, Council and Bulls both skint.
     
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    It would be great, but I can't see how a viable business case could be made in the current economic climate.

    An investment of what, maybe £30-50m, for two businesses that barely generate £10m annual revenue with no profit. Any growth in revenue would be swallowed up by additional costs. Would need maybe £5m a year minimum to service the debt, even if funding could be obtained.

    I believe there was an opportunity to do something in the mid 00s, but that time has gone.
     
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    As far as I’m aware there were no postponements due to waterlogged pitch between the work in summer 2018 and the start of this year. So that’s 6.5 years of the groundworks functioning effectively, despite wetter winters in recent years than previously. And throughout that time, as @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler has said, our pitch has been consistently commended for its top quality condition.
    This winter, and February in particular, has been as wet, if not wetter, than any I can remember since moving to Bradford in 1980. The question is, is this an exceptional situation that will only arise once or twice a decade (in which case it’s probably not worth investing mega bucks to remedy) or is this going to become the new norm?
    I can see why the club might baulk at spending millions on a PL/Championship grade pitch for a ground it doesn’t own. But @Bigrod@Bigrod ‘s suggestion of inflatable covers that can be used on an occasional basis during very heavy rain spells seems like something the club ought to be investigating, for a comparatively modest cost.
     
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    Good question! What it isn't is a 3g or a 4g or even a 5g pitch despite the confusion on here at times. They are all artificial pitches with different base structures or final surface dressing but without a blade of grass to be seen. They are developments of the old AstroTurf pitches. Desso is very different. Desso and a couple of other companies manufacture what are commonly called hybrid pitches which are widely used in the PL and some in the Championship ... and even 1 League 1 team. They are grass pitches but grown on a base which is impregnated with millions of long vertical poly fibres around which the grass roots develop and bind to. They produce a very even surface (so long as it's properly prepared) which is very stable are hard wearing because of the poly fibres. Unfortunately they are very expensive to both install and to maintain and have to be replaced on a regular basis. HTH.
     
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  13. Bronco

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    Just looking at the Bradford weather forecast and virtually no rain Monday or Tuesday so hopefully the covers are off.
     
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  14. Bronco

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    I always smile when I've watched a Premier League game or on the odd occasion Championship game and they are having the post match autopsy and behind the panelists are up to ten guys already doing work on the pitch 5 or so minutes after the game has finished, as you say its not just expensive to install but expensive to maintain.
     
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  15. wetherbywhaler

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    Those are Desso pitches, part artificial. The guys working aren’t mowing they are hoovering up the loose grass as if the artificial lies on top it does rot away but stops sunlight getting to the real grass which then dies.
     
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    So with the problematic foundations under the VP pitch coupled with us not owning the ground means the hundreds of thousands required to correct this issue is a non starter, which leaves us with the 1 and only solution and that is to simply stop excessive amounts of water getting on the pitch in the first place, surely pitch covers fit for purpose plus expenses for storage like maybe having to remove first couple rows of Midland Rd stand can't be more than say £500k?? Yes that's a lot of money but the Lewis and BSM cup monies should near enough cover this, and once bought it's an asset the club own so not dead money, and as I said previously a continuous rain water drain channel all around outside of pitch to sweep away what lands on covers which would be directed away to natural drainage point, this wouldn't cost much at all to install on the grand scheme of things.
     
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    Unfortunately we aren't swimming in dosh either. Forgive the reference to water.
     
  18. Bronco

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    Wow as "yosser" would say "gis a job I can do that" put the nets up as well, classic Boys from the Black Stuff :joy:.

     
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    Sensible post. Can't think where the club would propose sourcing the extra revenue/ capital from to be able to contemplate this sort of venture, or any other major investment for that matter.

    Just to add, Rochdale at home last Feb (think it was) should have been postponed, in my view, due to water logging. So yes, apart from that, unless the 2018 work has recently failed, the recent postponements are an anomaly due to this winter's rainfall.
     
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    Yep, no new stadium is ever getting built in this city, there is simply no money available and no private investment is ever seen in this city.
     

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