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Rupp & Sparks Out?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Nov 12, 2023.

  1. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    I think most, fair, supporters don't think Rupp is a villain.
    The difficulty is how do you explain the last 7 years?
    5th in League 1 to 19th in League 2.
    We've been through that many Manager's it can't keep being the Manager's fault.
    Something's not right at the club for us to underperform for so long.

    I would think the offers made are covered by an NDA. We'll never know about the vast majority of offers made.
     
  2. Captain Grumpy

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    Well the first year of the 7 we did have success and got to Wembley. Then Rahic destroyed everything and that caused an unnecessary relegation totally self inflicted. We were close to success last season and a bit more boldness from Hughes and we’d have made it. This season we’ve had a very poor summer transfer window where the squad wasn’t improved when it should have been. As I stated I’m not against regime change but I’m not convinced like some there’s anyone serious out there and if there is and getting nowhere,scrap an NDA as I assume it would be the buyer who requests it,state their intent as Parkin did and the Italian guy who wanted to buy us a few years ago.
     
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  3. simons (woking bantam)

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    It was the usual drippy pro management article WOAP do when the club is under attack from disillusioned fans - frankly it provides some of the reasons why we continue to stagnate as they continue to accept and defend mediocrity whilst occasionally posturing to be slightly more rebellious.
    If I didn't know better I would suggest they are pedalling for an interview with Sparks and Gent! ;)
     
  4. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    If Rupp leaving isn't the answer, surely we need someone to give us a medium-long term football strategy?
     
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  5. ModernBantam

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    NDAs exist and if Rupp isn't desperate to sell then any bad press would hamper a bid to buy the club (as the case with WAGMI)
     
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  6. BantamJ

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    WOAP, T&A, BBC radio Leeds will be first to cry when at best interest continues to dwindle and attendances drop or worse we continue this downward trajectory.

    If this mess continues I blame these outlets and the people who blindly defend the indefensible.
     
  7. Park bantam

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    do you have opinions about anything else about the club like playing formations, individual players and forthcoming matches or are you a one trick pony
     
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  8. BantamJ

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    With respect Park this is the bit I think you miss. You can have all the opinions in the world about individual players and formations but it counts for nothing if the strategy is flawed like ours.

    I can’t berate the players .. they try I don’t think it’s effort it’s mentality and quality both those attributes cost. Unfortunately our business model requires packing the rafters with cheap tickets and with that you are going to get an expectant demanding crowd.

    Formations again to be well coached and develop players to fit an identity or playing style that suits a formation comes from the quality of players and coaching which again costs money

    We need more quality than any other team in this league (along with Wrexham) in coaching and player recruitment due to the gold fish bowl we operate in, but the current model will not allow the best in the division.
     
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  9. Park bantam

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    It’s not about Models it never has been. It wasn’t the model that blew the chance we had last season. It wasn’t the model during the time of Parky where we had five years progressing. It was good football management. If the club decided they want a director of football so be it but in the end it’s about the manager identifying decent player through Gent or someone else. Then motivaiting them to success. That’s the time to get continuation
     
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  10. Dubois

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    I agree. Football's a simple game and if you get it right on the pitch little else matters. I'm no fan of Sparks and the ownership issue isn't ideal but it doesn't engage me much, certainly not like many on here. If we were winning games no one would bother about it and you win games by having a good manager and intelligent recruitment. Very small clubs do well if they have these and sometimes a team can be cobbled together with very modest resources, often in the last few weeks of the summer, and equally do well. We haven't done well because we haven't had good managers or good recruitment. It's as simple as that.
     
  11. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    I can't agree that all these Manager's we've had, haven't been good. They have proved they are good Manager's elsewhere.
     
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    But not for us. Was Hughes ever really a success anywhere? Adams maybe, but such a weird bloke he was never going to work for us. Bowyer? Hopkin? Not really much. I like Alexander because he's a normal lower league manager who looks like he's got something about him besides an ego. We'll see.
     
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    spot on. Adams was better at a smaller club with lower expectations. Hughes had enough £ at his disposal and a 30 odd goal striker. Hughes had been out of work for yonks and flunked it this season so neither deserve any excuses. Bowyer flopped at Salford. Where's Hopkin?
     
  14. QCFC BANTAM

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    Who is in charge of all that then? It didn't just happen did it? That is one of the arguments people are making....
     
  15. QCFC BANTAM

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    Who recruited them.......
     
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    Who recruited them,,,,,
     
  17. trevor

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    Rupp has made 2 major mistakes. One buying the club he knew nothing about and two employing a non football man full of nothing to run the club
     
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  18. JonButterfield

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    I don't get how you can say this.

    Basics: Some football players fit some formations better than others. Some managers and coaches suit some players better than others. Some football managers and players suit some clubs better than others.

    I don't think any of that is in dispute, at all.

    So if a manager walks into a club that has been playing a different kind of football and has players they might not work best with, there's more than just 'good football management' at play. Graham Alexander and Stephen Gent will now be working out which players don't suit them, and who they might be able to bring in in January - or failing that, the Summer.

    Someone said t'other day we average like 20 new players a season under Rupp.

    That tells me that every time a new manager has walked in, most of the squad was not appropriate to that manager or that manager's tactics.

    Can you see how this might be relevant to the performance of each individual manager, and by extension, the club as a whole?
     
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  19. Faithful Bantam

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    This may have been posted as I haven't read the whole thread, but in the reign of Rupp, only two clubs have fallen more league places than we have. Bury and Scunthrope. So when people say 'at least we're not Bury', we're only very just not Bury. And if the trajectory continues, we soon will be. But hey, the accounts look like we don't make a loss, so let's not fret.
     
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