Covid & Covid Passports - Rules & Logistics for City matches?

But you didn't get the vaccine as a condition of entry to to a football ground.

 

I do hope the people who were saying we need to relax the situation (that includes me) don't regret it in 3 weeks time, not allowing a relaxation would have been a finacial disaster for many businesses government backing couldn't go on endlessly, chicken or the egg scenario comes to mind.

 

Agree getting the vaccine is about reducing the risk of the individual getting seriously ill or possibly dying and the knock on effect on the NHS.
I think watching outdoor sport is way different as an example being in an enclosed night club with 100s of other people is less of a risk.

 

If 60% of people in hospital haven't had the vaccine by default that makes 40% with some sort of vaccine. I have to admit I would have thought that number be far lower. I would expect injuries from car crashes to be heavily stacked against those who didn't wear a seat belt than did. I would be expecting something like 80/20 rather than 60/40

 

One thing this government is good at is making people angry at those they shouldn't be.

The very low risk under 40s who have in the most part done their bit to protect the vulnerable are now being lined up by the government as the next scapegoats.

If cases rise and we have to go into lockdown again, it won't be Johnson letting the delta variant seed in the UK in greater numbers than elsewhere all for a photoshoot with the Indian president, it will be the youngsters not taking the vaccine that are to blame. He's playing some of you for fools, just like he tried yesterday with his "selected at random" pilot scheme available to him. Remember the one he said TFL were part of but who had never heard of it which led to them shutting down one of their tube lines?

 

It is a really hard question, that either way pleases no one. Personally i would have waited a few more weeks to get more youngsters double vaccinated, but its understandable why he has done it now.

 

As much as i have disagreed with you over the past few months, i agree with you 100% here. All Boris the clown does is say “mask wearing is now a personal choice” but then I guarantee if restrictions come around again he will blame everyone. He does it on purpose to absolve himself of any blame. Which in my opinion makes for a p*** poor leader.

 

I saw a video that explains it well, when the vast majority of people are vaccinated by definition a large segment will be from vaccinated people.

Say 60m are vaccinated and 10m are not, if 10 million caught it with a 50/50 split that still means only less than 10% of the vaccinated population actually caught it.

Its very hard to quantify this sort of thing as we really have no idea many people who were vaccinated were in contact with someone who could have given it to them.

 

The constant 24 hour media coverage and scare mongering has definitely caused a form of paranoia in some people

 

I'm referring to ending up in hospital.

I would expect it to be heavily weighed to those without the vaccine, I would expect those with the vaccine to catch it, I have said that consistently its just I would expect them to have mild illness.

 

Surveys can be made to look how someone wants them to look depending on who they question. It then can be manipulated to fit the narrative on what they are trying to achieve.

 

All those in favour of vaccine passports will, at some point, live to regret their decision. The inevitable implementation of a Social Credit System - which mirror’s China - is the beginning of the end to Western democracy.

Imagine a day where you lose almost all of your civil liberties, and some still genuinely believe this is to do with a virus.

 

Think that is spot on

Without doubt scaremongering is one of the greatest tools a government can use.

 

There has been nothing to say that those with the vaccine are in hospital with severe symptoms. There has never been a breakdown of those in hospital and the reasons. Are they there because they are ill with COVID or are they just in hospital and have tested positive.

 

I think it could be the other way too. A lot of people said they were against passports as they knew it would stop them doing what they wanted whereas now they are double jabbed their true feelings are ouut

 

So, has there been any update from FA, EFL regarding them?

 

I haven't seen or heard many people complaining about the need to be double jabbed to travel to Spain or Portugal (when it happens) so why is that any different to needing to be double jabbed to go to a football match.

It's not an invasion of civil liberties as some would suggest, it's just a common sense way of restricting serious illness amongst those who aren't vaccinated.

We need to get back to a near normal life. If that means being jabbed and having to prove it to enter certain places then those who aren't jabbed have a choice. Jab or stay out. No complaints from me, makes no difference at all to me in fact. I won't shun people who aren't jabbed because the jab protects me from serious illness. The biggest risk is to themselves.