Partygate

Worst thing is there are still folk out there blinded by what they've been told, still pockets of resistance clinging to bits of cloth over their face like comfort blankets. In a way I feel sorry for these people for they know not better, usually hanging off every word spoken on BBC news.

 

The important thing today is Starmer doing the press conference with hand picked press and putting pressure on the police investigation by saying he will resign if found he has breached the rules.This is a disgrace of a move by a lawyer that is only doing so that puts pressure on Durham police of finding him innocent of any breaches.The man knows the law and he should have kept Quiet until the police investigation is concluded.

Pathetic.

 

No inconsistency here. I believe that Starmer did not break the rules and that he will be exonerated. I'm simply saying that we'll have to wait for the result of the police investigation to find out, rather than rely on reports from people with an axe to grind filtered through newspapers that want to put the worst possible spin on it.
If I'm wrong and he gets a fixed penalty notice, I'll put my hand up and admit that I'm wrong. But I don't think I will be.

Barrister's opinion:
Adam Wagner, a human rights barrister and a specialist in lockdown rules, said the Labour memo could be used to clear Starmer of allegations he broke the law.

“Seeing that this was a scheduled event as part of the leader of the opposition’s visit to Durham – during a local election campaign, an event focused on him being with a local MP and their staff, and it was in the evening and food was ordered because it was the evening – I don’t really see how it could be a breach of the regulations,” he said.

“The regulations allowed for any gathering that was reasonably necessary for work or voluntary activity. And obviously the purpose of that visit overall was for the leader of the opposition to visit the local campaigners and the local MP and that is all on the schedule.

“So the police would have to say: ‘Well we actually disagree with the Labour party’s analysis of what was reasonably necessary for the leader’s trip to Durham,’ and I am doubtful that they could really go behind that reasoning.”

Wagner said the No 10 Partygate events were quite different. “The issue with the Downing Street events was that they were prearranged social events. Those being investigated are the ones where it’s quite obvious that the purpose of the event was social – a Christmas party, a leaving party, a birthday party. Whereas the fact that this is pre-planned I think shows the opposite. It shows that the purpose was political.”

 

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Tories coming out in droves saying Starmer should resign if he broke the rules , because that's what he called for Johnson to do. So, because he's an honourable man, he promises that he will do exactly that if he's found to be guilty. But you say it's a ploy to put pressure on the police. Ridiculous.

 

Its rank hypocrisy and ironic beyond the pale

Johnson is still sat there in number 10 with more fines and fixed penalty notices to come. Yet these lads here think its fine for their PM to make rules and break them. Yet find Starmer to be some sort of hypocrite for wanting to fill his gut after a hard days work.

You are pissing in the wind here though mate. You cant win, the forum is full of right wingers. The tories have not levelled up yorkshire like they said they would, will only invest in their 'red wall', it was a tory minister (Gove) who kicked the can down the road when it came to deciding if the airport was allowed a £150 million new terminal. They pissed our taxes into the pockets of their best mates. They have non dom status. They have nothing but contempt for people in Leeds and Bradford. Yet what do these chumps do? keep voting for him.

 

Chumps like me who have voted Conservative since 1979 would love to know what you think Labour have or would do for Bradford and Leeds then

 

They would create a chumps fund for people who vote against investment in their own region. They'd call it the Stockholm syndrome fund for numpties.

 

You know he’s doing it on purpose don’t you ? Pressure put on the Durham police from this so called honourable man ,don’t make me laugh.The guy got found out to be one of the biggest political hypocrites in living memory and how many more of these come and meets the labour leader party’s were there in the last few covid years ?

The guy who was head of the CPS when saville did not get charged,Honourable one thing this guy isn’t.

I voted for a independent candidate at the council elections by the way,not like a couple on here who are driven by labour politics and see no wrong.

 

Anyone who repeats this ridiculous, discredited slur should be ashamed of themselves. Starmer had no role in the Saville investigation whatsoever. The decision whether or not to prosecute Saville was not taken by him, so any suggestion that it reflects on his integrity is nothing but pure baseless mud-slinging. Pathetic.

 

Very immature calling people on here names who disagree with you on politics.

I respect your right to vote for anyone else but the Conservatives without labelling you a numpty or chump.

 

I really do hope he doesn't get a fixed penalty from plod, as it will mean another leadership contest, now that will be embarrassing left and centre tearing themselves apart each trying to get their man/woman in.

 

He was the head of the CPS at the time but when sh!t hits the fan it seems our keir doesn’t like to take responsibility.

 

There are important differences. Some of the reports about Johnson's activities in lockdown came from Tory-supporting newspapers, like the Times and Telegraph, unlike the beergate episode which has purely been whipped up by those who want to see Starmer fall.
Also, as many of his friends and close colleagues freely acknowledge, Johnson is a pathological liar who believes that normal rules and standards of behaviour don't apply to him. His known form for rule breaking and lying goes back decades. By contrast, Starmer has no such record of falsehood or entitlement and is known to be a stickler for obeying the law/rules.
So that's why I think that Starmer is telling the truth and Johnson has been lying through his teeth, as he always does.

 

The difference is that no one really needed a police investigation to determine whether there was widespread law breaking around No 10. The whole country knows full well that it happened repeatedly, and the outline Sue Gray report confirmed it. Any other PM than Johnson would have resigned long before it got to a police investigation.

 

The last few weeks on Durham and lying through his teeth comes to mind.

Like I said ,the blind faithful.