Quantcast
  1. Welcome to Bantam Talk

    Why not register for an account?

    Not only can you then get fully involved in the community but you also get fewer ads

  2. Premium Membership now Available


    Please see this thread for more details

    Dismiss Notice

Partygate

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Jan 25, 2022.

  1. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,035
    Likes Received:
    10,879
    Did you even read that article? There's not a shred of evidence of a cover-up in it. It's just an opinionated rant written by a right wing libertarian journalist who opposed all restrictions and admits that he 'proudly broke the rules'. It's total bullshit.
     
  2. Manningham bantam

    Manningham bantam Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    1,497
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    And a witness can prove otherwise.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10793159/amp/Keir-Starmers-Beergate-story-blown-apart-leaked-Labour-memo.html
     
  3. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,035
    Likes Received:
    10,879
  4. Manningham bantam

    Manningham bantam Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    1,497
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    I like this bit from the article from the witness.

    They were just getting p****d. They were just there for a jolly. It's not something that I am prepared to defend.'
     
  5. trevor

    trevor Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,844
    Likes Received:
    7,655
    It is a Tory Media slur to deflect from the attacks on Boris and one of the most dire governments for many a year,
    The supposed witness says it was a jolly and piss up which sounds untrue, Anyone campaigning for any party will tell you that as they are volunteers it is not unusual to to provide food and drinks at the end for them as part of the working day, It is nothing more than a tory smear campaign but if proved to be against the rules at least Starmer as a man of honour will accept it and resign unlike the shameless untrusty Prime minister who will face any one down despite his failings as a trustworthy and honourable person
     
    Offcomedun likes this.
  6. Aaron Baker

    Aaron Baker Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2018
    Messages:
    3,806
    Likes Received:
    3,957
    Two things there I suppose. The culture is important (although I'm not sure you always made that clear previoulsy) but that isn't what the media and Starmer went after so they can't just pivot onto a different issue. The furor was originally about Johnson personally.

    The second issue is how much of a direct link Johnson had over that culture. There's 200 - 400 people working in Downing Street at any one time out of probably 1,000 people who occasionally go there. Not all of them will answer to Johnson - he's not the office manager or HR and without being flippant I would hope his focus was elsewhere at the time.

    The suitcase and the fridge are misnomers. How else would you store and carry beer for 200 people even if they were having one each? In terms of the actual rules it doesn't matter whether it's a one off or routine - especially if people believed that a beer and food during or after work wasn't necessarily a rule break. If Starmer can (probably rightly) believe that beer and a curry constitutes work once them people can believe that beer and food constitute work 15 times.

    It is a fuss over nothing but that's not bias. People who were allowed to congregate together for work and for legal lunchbreaks having a beer with those very same people didn't increase the spread of the virus one jot. Proper parties matter because that crosses over into taking the piss out of the public but wasting all this time and resource on these borderline, technical rule breaches are absolutely crazy.
     
  7. Manningham bantam

    Manningham bantam Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    1,497
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Man of honour,the guy campaigned to have Corbyn has PM and tried desperately to stop Brexit.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16107633/sir-keir-starmer-stop-brexit-second-referendum/amp/
     
  8. Aaron Baker

    Aaron Baker Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2018
    Messages:
    3,806
    Likes Received:
    3,957
    From groups that Starmer wasn't in?
     
  9. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,035
    Likes Received:
    10,879
    Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like the working group that Starmer was in at the Miners' Hall.

    "In messages seen by the Guardian, at least two senior aides who were present at Durham Miners Hall sent queries about script edits and video editing between 10.30pm and 1am after the takeaway was ordered for the campaign team, which included Starmer, Rayner and the Labour MP Mary Foy."
     
  10. YungNath

    YungNath Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    2,101
    Likes Received:
    2,237
    Journalism of the kind johnson engaged in isn't a proper job in the slightest, simple. Proper investigative journalists (I hugely respect Ian Hislop for example) look down on hacks like Johnson in exactly the same way so I think you're making a pretty sad attempt at the moral high ground in defense of a man who's never been near it in his life.

    In summary, my definition of a proper job doesn't include writing made up articles about funny shaped bananas and calling muslim women letterboxes.
     
  11. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,035
    Likes Received:
    10,879
    That's completely different. That's political differences. Nothing to do with personal integrity. Just because you disagree with his political stance on various things doesn't make him dishonourable. It's rather strange that you can't distinguish between those two different things.
     
  12. YungNath

    YungNath Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    2,101
    Likes Received:
    2,237
    Clity likes this.
  13. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    Mate its a JOKE

    You have your precious torys in power - brexit - what more can you want? protection from banter? dont be a snowflake
     
  14. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    I didnt vote for Labour before you get on your high horse

    The labour councillors in my area and labour MP for Leeds west wanted the airport to not have a new terminal. I take that seriously and instead voted Lib Dem. Didnt mean owt though cos labour won.
     
    Rogered Tart likes this.
  15. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    By that logic Johnson should resign for any number of failures of his tenure. And his failures have national significance whereas Savilles was simply a criminal conviction. I think you fail to grasp that organisations such as the CPS do not refer every investigation to the person in charge. How many hours do you think there is in a day, working week, month or year? Get real.
     
  16. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
  17. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,035
    Likes Received:
    10,879
    The suitcase was full of wine, not beer - that's a lot of alcohol servings - for 30 people, not 200. And it was for two after-work leaving do's which later merged into one, so no question of it being a break for work - it was a social gathering, aka a party. It most definitely does constitute 'taking the piss out of the public' when everyone else was limited to six people at the time.

    It's irrelevant that not all of the staff answer directly to Johnson - although his chief of staff, who sent out the 'bring your own booze' invite, certainly did. As the head of the government that created the lockdown rules he had a greater responsibility than anyone to ensure that those working at the heart of his administration abided by them. It's inconceivable and naive in the extreme to believe that Johnson would have been unaware of the scale of law-breaking that was going on around No 10, which is both his office and his home. With the possible exception of Cameron, I can think of no Tory PM who would have permitted such a culture to develop. McMillan, Douglas-Home, Heath, Thatcher, Major, May - none of these would have allowed it had they been in office during the pandemic.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/suitcase-downing-street-parties-of-wine_uk_61e0ad5be4b0c6802ee4012e
     
  18. Bronco

    Bronco Star Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 Top 30

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    37,930
    Likes Received:
    40,936
    Isn't this tweet alone enough for Sir Keir Starmer to resign, bearing in mind his quote is not about Boris being found guilty but the fact the Prime Minister is under criminal investigation which is now the case with regards Starmer's actions during lock down.

    keir.jpg
     
    Manningham bantam likes this.
  19. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    16,886
    Likes Received:
    40,005
    Thats similar to my take on the political scene around Bradford and neighbouring Leeds. Stuff like being against a new airport terminal are just mind blowingly stupid and short sighted. All political parties should be first and foremost for the continued growth within the business and leisure sector. Without it we stifle employment, the whole reason a populated area exists. I want the Tories out as much as anyone but we desperately need an alternative that pushes forward the continued redevelopment of a county predominantly built on industry and little else. Otherwise airports such as Doncaster will eventually overtake you.
     
  20. Manningham bantam

    Manningham bantam Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    1,497
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    I see the SDP won a seat in Leeds,I wish I could have voted for them.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice